Detroit Tigers Ongoing 2013 Thread

[MiamiVice]

Jeremy Bonderman has been almost unhittable in AAA as a reliever.. with a whip of .14 (yes thats correct .14) and a era of 0. 1 hit allowed in 7 innings of relief work. Small sample.. but fact is... Bonderman is a proven mlb pitcher that in short spurts still has the stuff to get mlb hitters out. He is only 30. As a starter.. no.. as a reliever.. get reed, putkonen, al al, or villareal off the 40 man and get bonderman on it asap.

 

[Iffster]

Agreed. I've been saying it for the past two years. The Tigers win games because of superior talent. JL has nothing to do with the Wins. He does factor into our loses.

THAT is the dumbest thing I've read today.

But I guess if you 'play the game' here, others over look stuff like that. I, on the other hand, suggest that JV might (RIGHT NOW) be the team's fifth best starter....and I'm an idiot. [Even when I state that things could change by October.] Got to learn how to 'brown-nose' the right people, I guess.

Oh well......at least I know I am smarter than one person.

 

[broncosmitty]

It doesn't even make sense when you look at splits. Tui hits .344 off RHPs (albeit a small sample - 32 ABs), and .282 off LHPs. Dirks is .255 vs. RHPs and .196 off LHPs.

There's a reason they have that popular definition of "insanity".

I've went as far as to compare Andy to DK. It didn't make me feel any better.

 

[themuzzer]

Jeremy Bonderman has been almost unhittable in AAA as a reliever.. with a whip of .14 (yes thats correct .14) and a era of 0. 1 hit allowed in 7 innings of relief work. Small sample.. but fact is... Bonderman is a proven mlb pitcher that in short spurts still has the stuff to get mlb hitters out. He is only 30. As a starter.. no.. as a reliever.. get reed, putkonen, al al, or villareal off the 40 man and get bonderman on it asap.

Can't argue that. Sounds like a upgrade over Reed.

 

[Cleaves2000]

Leylands stuck on the righty lefty bs. Except he will start avila vs lefthanded pitching. 2E should get more chances to prove he can hit righthanded pitching.

Bondermans sounding like hes doing well in the minors.....but will he be able to get MLB players out?

 

[broncosmitty]

Had the microwave been invented by then? Did Cable TV exist back then?

I never had cable TV until the fall of '99 personally. Waivers started the second Bochepheus came on MNF though. You better have 6 of the 7 digits punched in the phone already, or there was no chance you were gonna get Eric Lynch.

 

[Cleaves2000]

I never had cable TV until the fall of '99 personally. Waivers started the second Bochepheus came on MNF though. You better have 6 of the 7 digits punched in the phone already, or there was no chance you were gonna get Eric Lynch.

We had til wednesday to let the comish know the waiver pick ups. And if more than one person wanted someone......the good ole dice roll.....high dice wins.

 

[Cleaves2000]

Thats crazy, bonderman is only 30.....porcello seems 30 while bonderman seems around 35

 

[MiamiVice]

Leylands stuck on the righty lefty bs. Except he will start avila vs lefthanded pitching. 2E should get more chances to prove he can hit righthanded pitching.

Bondermans sounding like hes doing well in the minors.....but will he be able to get MLB players out?

Bonderman has a few quality starts in Seattle before being dfa'ed.. he was not dropped because he wasn't getting guys out.. he was dropped to allow the young talent to come up... Bonderman was never a long term option for the Mariners... As a reliever however.. Bonderman may have some serious value.. there are countless guys that were starters before 30 that turned into solid relievers or even closers later in their career.. relievers are a dime a dozen.. you can find them almost anywhere... it takes less talent to get 3-6 outs than it does to go through the order a few times... I think Bonderman is as good of an option out of the pen as most of the possibilities on the market.. Kevin Gregg? No thank you... and the guys that cost top prospects? It is not smart to sell a piece like Garcia or Castellanos for a reliever.. You either hold on to them and play them here or trade them for something of real value down the road like a SS or OF.

 

[Cleaves2000]

Bonderman has a few quality starts in Seattle before being dfa'ed.. he was not dropped because he wasn't getting guys out.. he was dropped to allow the young talent to come up... Bonderman was never a long term option for the Mariners... As a reliever however.. Bonderman may have some serious value.. there are countless guys that were starters before 30 that turned into solid relievers or even closers later in their career.. relievers are a dime a dozen.. you can find them almost anywhere... it takes less talent to get 3-6 outs than it does to go through the order a few times... I think Bonderman is as good of an option out of the pen as most of the possibilities on the market.. Kevin Gregg? No thank you... and the guys that cost top prospects? It is not smart to sell a piece like Garcia or Castellanos for a reliever.. You either hold on to them and play them here or trade them for something of real value down the road like a SS or OF.

I agree....i didnt want kevin gregg nowhere around this team....hes another valverde.....bonderman seems he might have the stuff to come in and get an out or 2 while playing the matchup righty lefty game.

 

[MiamiVice]

Thats crazy, bonderman is only 30.....porcello seems 30 while bonderman seems around 35

Its because they were both called up young.. most players are not called up until they are 25-27.... both were called up around 20. 5 extra years of seeing them start will make them seem old.

 

[Cleaves2000]

Its because they were both called up young.. most players are not called up until they are 25-27.... both were called up around 20. 5 extra years of seeing them start will make them seem old.

Yeah to think bonderman came up when maroth was around. And hes still around and only 30. Bonderman could never seem to get that other pitch. He always would have one bad inning also.

 

[gvsulaker82]

Lets not forget bonderman also had a few ugly starts in seattle as well. So he didnt get dfa'd just because they wanted younger guys to get a shot. He wasnt awful but he wasnt great either,mi would be willing to give him a shot though. I also think dirks will heat up.

 

[gvsulaker82]

Really muzzer? I get it you dont like jl and im willing to wager no matter who the mgr is eventually you will not like him because well long story short hindsight is 20/20. Anyhow yeah of course i think jl has his weaknesses but you saying he never contributes to their victories makes your opinion pretty useless. Why not just trot nobody out as manager then seeing as how they only factor into losses but not wins? Damn wonder why teams have not thought of that yet, seems brilliant to the naked eye.

 

[MiamiVice]

I agree....i didnt want kevin gregg nowhere around this team....hes another valverde.....bonderman seems he might have the stuff to come in and get an out or 2 while playing the matchup righty lefty game.

Its funny... if you look at the league.. how many of their closers or relievers are basically nobodies or starters that sucked.. Grillie, Rodney, Gregg.. these guys were cast offs... Joe Nathan was a failed starter... the cards have some scrub they picked off the marlins that was a middle reliever for them before going to the cards... Even Mariano Rivera was a failed starter... People overblow the value of closers.. and relievers in general... basically.. all you have to do is find a guy that has his stuff working... and you have a great reliever... easier said than done.. but fact is.. it really is that simple.. a great starter can close... or be a reliever.. but a good reliever cant always start... if you find a guy like bonderman that was going 6 innings... he can probably get you 3 outs late in the game... just my opinion... relievers are everywhere.. not worth top prospects.. teams that trade prospects for a late inning guy will regret it.

 

[gvsulaker82]

Giants rumors huh? Im thinking nothing will precipitate as pence, scutaro and lopez will all cost too much but lopez would be awesome.

 

[gvsulaker82]

Well agree to an extent miamivice...but truth be told mariano riveras dont grow on trees either. He is a bit of an exception to your rule though because yes its much easier to find a guy to get three outs than pitch seven to eight innings.

 

[MiamiVice]

Lets not forget bonderman also had a few ugly starts in seattle as well. So he didnt get dfa'd just because they wanted younger guys to get a shot. He wasnt awful but he wasnt great either,mi would be willing to give him a shot though. I also think dirks will heat up.

Bonderman was surely not at an all star level by any means.. but he went over 6 innings 3 times in 7 starts.. and only 2 of the starts were bad.. the first.. and the last... low risk move.. drop a guy like evan reed from the 40 man... put bondo on it and see if he can do something.. if so.. great.. if not.. you lose nothing.. cause nobody is going to pick reed of the waiver wire.. and if so.. no big loss anyways.

 

[broncosmitty]

We had til wednesday to let the comish know the waiver pick ups. And if more than one person wanted someone......the good ole dice roll.....high dice wins.

We had two waiver periods each week. The Monday night, and again Wednesday. It sucked if a guy got hurt on MNF, cuz most top choices were gone. But you had your pick of retreds that got cut on Monday. Can't remember what TV show signaled the start though. Good times

 

[gvsulaker82]

I agree mv hes worth a look, just wanted to point out that he struggled mightily in a few starts wasnt all roses.