Dalton taking the step forward.....

[bengaldoug]

Our young quarterback is moving ahead and improving in all the areas he needed to.....completion pct from under 60% to 68.4.....yards per attempt from under 7 to 9.1, second in the NFL to Cam Newton's 9.6.....td/pick ratio is 2/1......passer rating of 105 is fourth in the league.....even his downfield accuracy was much better yesterday.....the td pass to baby hawk was one of the best throws I've ever seen him make.....now if we could only get the defense playing......

 

[cincygrad]

He's all growns up.

I thought the passing offense was fantastic yesterday. It concerns me that we don't have a very good running back.

 

[bengaldoug]

He's not much, but at least he's good at the goal line....with our passing game that's all we really have to have from our back....maybe we could draft one this year.....

 

[Tubbs1518]

A RB isn't important enough to draft in the 1st unless he is an AP type talent. Lattimore isn't that.

 

[Tubbs1518]

I dont think BJGE is bad. He has been pretty good so far this year. He had one game that wasn't fantastic and now he stinks again.

 

[ckhokie]

He's not much, but at least he's good at the goal line....

Hopefully he can play better at both goal lines :p

and x2 on not drafting Lattimore. That guy isn't the same at all post injury

 

[flamingrey]

Inflated stats playing against the Browns (minus Haden) and then the Skins. His deep throws are still a concern. He had Gresham for an easy TD in the 1st quarter and overthrew him. He also overthrew Green on at least one other pass. He hit the Hawkins pass (and even that wasn't too long), but that's the only one I can think of in the first 3 games.

Unfortunately, there really isn't a great measure anytime early in the season. Maybe against Pittsburgh and Miami. Same situation as last year. Early in the season Dalton looked great. When the tough stretch came, he was pretty bad.

 

[DanBengalfan]

we're stuck with bjge for the next few years.
If a running back falls in our lap, I guess we'll take a look at him.

so goes the Bengals.

 

[Servo]

Inflated stats playing against the Browns (minus Haden) and then the Skins. His deep throws are still a concern. He had Gresham for an easy TD in the 1st quarter and overthrew him. He also overthrew Green on at least one other pass. He hit the Hawkins pass (and even that wasn't too long), but that's the only one I can think of in the first 3 games.

Unfortunately, there really isn't a great measure anytime early in the season. Maybe against Pittsburgh and Miami. Same situation as last year. Early in the season Dalton looked great. When the tough stretch came, he was pretty bad.

I think it's encouraging that Dalton is not necessarily at the top of his game and still producing. He's hit most his throws if you look at compl. %...and he's had some drops. Still, I think he can play better. The deepball accuracy could defnitely be improved and he needs to work on his pocket presence. I also think he and the WRs/TE are still trying to develop a rapport. I like the way the schedule lines up to get these guys in synch before they start playing some more legit teams. But overall very pleased with Dalton.

 

[cincygrad]

I dont think BJGE is bad. He has been pretty good so far this year. He had one game that wasn't fantastic and now he stinks again.

He doesn't stink. But through three games he's averaging 3.6 YPC - Almost identical to last season. He is what he is - An average running back. Not really much different than Benson.

I don't want to draft a first round running back, but I'd like for our line to improve or are backs to be upgraded. Anything to get some sort of run game working.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Inflated stats playing against the Browns (minus Haden) and then the Skins. His deep throws are still a concern. He had Gresham for an easy TD in the 1st quarter and overthrew him. He also overthrew Green on at least one other pass. He hit the Hawkins pass (and even that wasn't too long), but that's the only one I can think of in the first 3 games.

Unfortunately, there really isn't a great measure anytime early in the season. Maybe against Pittsburgh and Miami. Same situation as last year. Early in the season Dalton looked great. When the tough stretch came, he was pretty bad.

No QB is perfect, and you can only put up stats against the team you are playing. Every team goes through injuries, it is the life of the NFL. Why do we have to diminish what he has done due to opposing teams injuries or suspensions? You wouldn't discredit another NFL QB for throwing all over us because Howard is hurt, or Leon Hall, or that Maualuga is a complete waste of space. He can only play who he plays, he has no control over any of this. I would prefer to think that Green would have been on an island with Haden anyway and won that battle 50% of the time. Green is a top 5 WR in this league in my opinion, and so it is not so much Dalton vs. Haden, as much as Green vs. Haden.

A player is allowed to suck, a player is allowed to be average, but it seems you down play Dalton as much as we over critisize Palmer.

 

[bengaldoug]

The important thing is regardless of the competition Andy is getting better....even against the Ravens the offense played well until it became obvious the defense was never going to slow down the Ravens' offense.....I would like to see him have a big game against a playoff level team....that would be absolute evidence of his improvement....

 

[Be Weary of Query]

It is hard to be critical of Andy Dalton right now.

I'll take a perfect QB rating in the 4th quarter this year (158.3) as a more quantifiable stat versus "deep ball accuracy".

Jeff Blake had great deep ball accuracy...but couldn't hit anything short or intermediate.

 

[bengaldoug]

"I'll take a perfect QB rating in the 4th quarter this year (158.3) as a more quantifiable stat versus "deep ball accuracy".


Bingo......

 

[Servo]

"I'll take a perfect QB rating in the 4th quarter this year (158.3) as a more quantifiable stat versus "deep ball accuracy".


Bingo......

That is pretty impressive. I didnt know that he was technically flawless in the 4th qrt. Like I said, though, I dont think he's at the top of his game and he's still pretty damn good.

 

[cincygrad]

His 4th quarter numbers were good last year as well. He's a good quarterback. He still struggles with deep passes, but he's getting better and I'm happy with him.

 

[flamingrey]

No QB is perfect, and you can only put up stats against the team you are playing. Every team goes through injuries, it is the life of the NFL. Why do we have to diminish what he has done due to opposing teams injuries or suspensions? You wouldn't discredit another NFL QB for throwing all over us because Howard is hurt, or Leon Hall, or that Maualuga is a complete waste of space. He can only play who he plays, he has no control over any of this. I would prefer to think that Green would have been on an island with Haden anyway and won that battle 50% of the time. Green is a top 5 WR in this league in my opinion, and so it is not so much Dalton vs. Haden, as much as Green vs. Haden.

A player is allowed to suck, a player is allowed to be average, but it seems you down play Dalton as much as we over critisize Palmer.

I started my post with "inflated stats" and gave reasoning for it. No more, no less.

It's been a whopping 3 games. I guess all sample sizes to hell.

Against the only good team we've played so far, Dalton has sucked. Against the 2 crappy teams, Dalton has looked great. Are you really prepared to surmise a conclusion here? I'll give it a shot: Dalton sucks against the best teams and is great against the crappy ones. Agree or disagree?

Let's not be ridiculous.

Based on the stats up to this point (QB rating only), Kolb is the 3rd best QB followed by Dalton and Ponder at 4th and 5th. Brady is the 11th, Rogers 14th, and Brees 25th.

It's a bit early.

What happens here is a bunch of people blow their wads on some early success, and then 12 games into the season, they're going to be arguing much different and forget this ever happened. How do I know this? The EXACT same thing happened last season.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I started my post with "inflated stats" and gave reasoning for it. No more, no less.

It's been a whopping 3 games. I guess all sample sizes to hell.

Against the only good team we've played so far, Dalton has sucked. Against the 2 crappy teams, Dalton has looked great. Are you really prepared to surmise a conclusion here? I'll give it a shot: Dalton sucks against the best teams and is great against the crappy ones. Agree or disagree?

Let's not be ridiculous.

Based on the stats up to this point (QB rating only), Kolb is the 3rd best QB followed by Dalton and Ponder at 4th and 5th. Brady is the 11th, Rogers 14th, and Brees 25th.

It's a bit early.

What happens here is a bunch of people blow their wads on some early success, and then 12 games into the season, they're going to be arguing much different and forget this ever happened. How do I know this? The EXACT same thing happened last season.

Besides Dalton being flawless in the 4th quarter this year, he was also something like 15 TD's to 0 INT's inside the redzone last year. He doesn't turn the ball over much, takes care of it in the two most important parts of the game, the redzone and the 4th quarter. No QB is perfect like I said, but regardless he can only play who he plays. I will take Andy Dalton right now because he is learning and becoming a leader. Esiason was no ridiculously gifted QB either, but he was smart and he was an awesome leader. I see a lot of Esiason in Andy, and as the years go on, I think his deep pass will start to come around a bit. The speed at WR for us is a bit insane, hard to time perfect deep passes all the time under pressure with the speed of some of these guys.

I think your "general conclusion" was accurate..."he excels against crappy teams and is not so good against better teams." However, I think you are generalizing a little too much still. I would still take Dalton over Palmer any day of the week, especially on Sunday.

 

[flamingrey]

First of all, start by taking a deep breath.

Worst case of strawman's logic I've seen in a long time. I didn't make any of those cases for or against Dalton. The only thing I said was to put the brakes before looking too much into a whopping 3 games.

You obviously didn't understand my "assessment" of Dalton. I was using hyperbole to make a parallel. If the barometer is 3 games, it would be absolutely ridiculous to come to such a conclusion - that he sucks against good teams and is great against bad - just as people are doing now with all the other commentary.

Next time try actually responding to my post instead of just quoting it.

Lastly, the Carson quip only goes to show how jilted you really are. Can't get him off your mind, can you?

 

[futballiscool]

I'm sold on Dalton being a very good young QB.

but just to put the Redsking defense in prespective, Bradford had the highest passer rating game of his career week 2, and followed it up with the lowest passer rating game of his career week 3 against the Bears... that pass defense looked atrocious..

I have high hopes for the passing game. Hawkins isn't a conventional # 2 WR, but he gives the offense the second weapon that was needed. he's great in space and in the openfield. Green's ability to stretch the field should give Hawkins the room he needs for YAC..

so thrilled with the way the young talent is playing, Dalton at the top of the list