crabs torn Achilles no!

[deep9er]

I feel Kaep was going to spread it around more and defenses were going to focus more on Crabtree resulting in fewer than the 96 extrapolated catches (as targets could go down) but maybe more yards per catch.

Could this injury knock his contract leverage down enough for us to keep him? I doubt it, but maybe.

Crabs has had foot injuries from the get go, how much do we want to commit to him?

 

[Robotech]

Crabs has had foot injuries from the get go, how much do we want to commit to him?

Well I guess it is better that this happened now instead of happening after an extension with a $15-20M signing bonus.

 

[deep9er]

Crabtree aftermath: Do you need great No. 1 WRs to win titles? There really is no recent correlation | Talking Points


good stuff from Tim Kawakami. in particular, i like the part where you need a top QB (yeah obvious to all), a pass rush, and stop the run.

the key is Kap and we have enough 'variation' to score against anyone. but for the play-offs, we need to stop other teams from scoring. well ok, it is more like SLOWiNG other teams from scoring, but IMO it comes down to defense.

we couldn't generate enough pass rush in the play-offs.

looked another way, what is more of a concern with Seattle, their offense or their defense? what about the Rams?

 

[deep9er]

Well I guess it is better that this happened now instead of happening after an extension with a $15-20M signing bonus.

no doubt.

 

[Vitamike]

Not sure I understand the 'bullet dodging' part of your post - We were hit pretty hard last year with injuries - As for 'Tree, we have time to recover, I think we'll be fine.

Okay just to clear things up, here's the health ranking from last year...

This chart lists the games lost by starters due to injury during the 2012 NFL season. It lists the team, the number of games lost (Games), players placed on injured reserve (IR), the number of 16-game starters (16g) plus the key injury and his games lost:

Team
Games
16g
IR
Key injury
games

1. San Francisco
8
17
1
WR Mario Manningham
4

2. Seattle
11
13
0
G James Carpenter
5

3. New Orleans
20
11
1
LB Jonathan Vilma
4

4. Chicago
23
7
2
G Chilo Rachal
6

5. Miami
23
16
3
CB Richard Marshall
12

6. Houston
24
11
1
LB Brian Cushing
11

7. Minnesota
24
12
1
WR Percy Harvin
7

8. St. Louis
24
10
1
C Scott Wells
9

9. New England
27
7
0
G Logan Mankins
6

10. Atlanta
33
10
2
CB Brent Grimes
15

11. NY Giants
38
9
1
S Kenny Phillips
9

12. San Diego
42
9
6
OT Jared Gaither
12

13. Baltimore
46
8
2
LB Ray Lewis
10

14. NY Jets
47
9
3
CB Darrelle Revis
14

15. Oakland
47
8
1
CB Shawntee Spencer
14

16. Tampa Bay
48
12
4
G Davin Joseph
16

17. Arizona
49
7
3
OT Levi Brown
16

18. Cleveland
49
8
4
LB Chris Gocong
16

19. Tennessee
51
7
5
C Eugene Amano
16

20. Denver
52
9
4
DT Ty Warren
15

21. Pittsburgh
52
8
5
S Troy Polamalu
9

22. Buffalo
55
10
5
WR David Nelson
15

23. Cincinnati
56
10
3
LB Thomas Howard
15

24. Kansas City
56
5
4
C Rodney Hudson
13

25. Philadelphia
63
6
6
OT Jason Peters
16

26. Carolina
65
6
6
CB Chris Gamble
12

27. Indianapolis
66
5
2
G Seth Olsen
11

28. Detroit
69
10
6
HB Jahvid Best
16

29. Jacksonville
69
7
6
G Will Rackley
16
30. Cowboys
71
8
5
S Barry Church
13

31. Washington
75
13
4
OT Jammal Brown
16

32. Green Bay
83
8
4
LB Desmond Bishop
16

 

[Robotech]

Crabtree aftermath: Do you need great No. 1 WRs to win titles? There really is no recent correlation | Talking Points


good stuff from Tim Kawakami. in particular, i like the part where you need a top QB (yeah obvious to all), a pass rush, and stop the run.

the key is Kap and we have enough 'variation' to score against anyone. but for the play-offs, we need to stop other teams from scoring. well ok, it is more like SLOWiNG other teams from scoring, but IMO it comes down to defense.

we couldn't generate enough pass rush in the play-offs.

looked another way, what is more of a concern with Seattle, their offense or their defense? what about the Rams?

I think VD's gonna come up big. Heck, he's as fast as any of our receivers, so why can't he be the speedy vertical complement to Boldin?

Yeah, our defense was allowing too many touchdowns instead of holding the other team to a field goal. Baltimore's first possession in the Super Bowl still haunts me. We could've held them to a FG if not for the offsides penalty. Red zone play is the key to winning nowadays since most every team seems to be able to move the ball pretty well down the field.

 

[deep9er]

I think VD's gonna come up big. Heck, he's as fast as any of our receivers, so why can't he be the speedy vertical complement to Boldin?

Yeah, our defense was allowing too many touchdowns instead of holding the other team to a field goal. Baltimore's first possession in the Super Bowl still haunts me. We could've held them to a FG if not for the offsides penalty. Red zone play is the key to winning nowadays since most every team seems to be able to move the ball pretty well down the field.

agree on VD, and why shouldn't we use him more? but we do need a WR to compliment Boldin, the guy who runs routes vice sprint down field.

agree with red zone, cause all play-off teams have good offenses. so it comes down to your D slowing them down, slowing them down while your offense keeps going. apply more pressure to Flacco and it slows him down, same with Ryan or any good QB we'll face.

 

[ChrisPozz]

Replacing Crabtree is not a one-man job | CSN Bay Area

Harbaugh on Crabtree: 'It was completely torn'

 

[threelittleturds]

Not sure I understand the 'bullet dodging' part of your post - We were hit pretty hard last year with injuries - As for 'Tree, we have time to recover, I think we'll be fine.

A lot of truth to that, at this point everything they plan to do will not include Crabtree. It'd really hurt if this was just before opening day and they planned to have Crabtree be a big contributor, then had to either scramble to fill his role or come up with a whole new plan of attack.

I believe that is where most teams run into problems when they lose a big name player during the season. If they can't successfully fill his role then when they try to regroup and come up with a new plan of attack... it is too late.

The way this does compare to the Suggs injury is that it happened so early that the Ravens had plenty of time to move forward and develop a successful defensive plan without Suggs. I'm 100% confident that Harbaugh and Roman can easily reshuffle the deck and come up with a successful plan of attack without Crabs.

 

[Bemular]

A lot of truth to that, at this point everything they plan to do will not include Crabtree. It'd really hurt if this was just before opening day and they planned to have Crabtree be a big contributor, then had to either scramble to fill his role or come up with a whole new plan of attack.

I believe that is where most teams run into problems when they lose a big name player during the season. If they can't successfully fill his role then when they try to regroup and come up with a new plan of attack... it is too late.

The way this does compare to the Suggs injury is that it happened so early that the Ravens had plenty of time to move forward and develop a successful defensive plan without Suggs. I'm 100% confident that Harbaugh and Roman can easily reshuffle the deck and come up with a successful plan of attack without Crabs.

Exactly! Timing has a lot to do with my seemingly 'ho-hum' attitude toward this event. I didn't want to lose Mikey but if we had to lose him 'now' was the time to lose him.

 

[Yoshi]

I think VD's gonna come up big. Heck, he's as fast as any of our receivers, so why can't he be the speedy vertical complement to Boldin?

Yeah, our defense was allowing too many touchdowns instead of holding the other team to a field goal. Baltimore's first possession in the Super Bowl still haunts me. We could've held them to a FG if not for the offsides penalty. Red zone play is the key to winning nowadays since most every team seems to be able to move the ball pretty well down the field.

They also need to get to the QB, as deep alluded to. A few of us here were clamoring for the need for an effective pass rush even before the PO's and especially during and after the PO run. The Niners lack of getting to the QB - as evidenced by Flacco out running our edge rushers, was what led Baalke to getting Tank and Lemonier in this past draft and grabbing Dorsey in FA. With Haralson perhaps coming back, the Niners can substitute their defensive lineman more, which is something they did a lot of in pretty much all of their SB winning teams.

 

[TobyTyler]

Exactly! Timing has a lot to do with my seemingly 'ho-hum' attitude toward this event. I didn't want to lose Mikey but if we had to lose him 'now' was the time to lose him.

Actually the last play of the Super Bowl would have been the time if it had to happen. Then we might have him back for the start of the regular season.

 

[Bemular]

They also need to get to the QB, as deep alluded to. A few of us here were clamoring for the need for an effective pass rush even before the PO's and especially during and after the PO run. The Niners lack of getting to the QB - as evidenced by Flacco out running our edge rushers, was what led Baalke to getting Tank and Lemonier in this past draft and grabbing Dorsey in FA. With Haralson perhaps coming back, the Niners can substitute their defensive lineman more, which is something they did a lot of in pretty much all of their SB winning teams.

Indeed - Nice re-visit to the past Yosh.

 

[TobyTyler]

Not really we have the dynamic Quitton Patton we drafted this year. Ricordo Lockette is also a hidden gem. Kyle Williams will finally explode this year and be the weapon (WR/RS) we envisioned him to be when he entered the league in 2010. Furthermore, Jim's brother failed to utlize Boldin properly, he is truly an elite player and will be back to his rookie form in our offense.

I guess you are trying to be funny? I notice you didn't mention AJ Jenkins in your dream above though.

 

[blade]

It's unfortunate, true, but there is always a sense of satisfaction when it happens to an asshole like Crabtree.

 

[Rvnight18]

How is Crabtree an asshole?

 

[TobyTyler]

How is Crabtree an asshole?

I agree with you. He seemed like he grew up a lot last year. And he really busted his ass.

 

[blade]

I agree with you. He seemed like he grew up a lot last year. And he really busted his ass.

Huh? I thought he busted his Achilles tendon? This story just keeps getting bigger and bigger. But, being in San Francisco and all, I can definitely see how his ass could get busted also.

 

[Vitamike]

Huh? I thought he busted his Achilles tendon? This story just keeps getting bigger and bigger. But, being in San Francisco and all, I can definitely see how his ass could get busted also.

LOL @ blade....

The irony ... calling someone an ass all the while being an ass.

 

[blade]

LOL @ blade....

The irony ... calling someone an ass all the while being an ass.

Hammer told me to

you fi you got out of line. That's IT! You're going down, bitch.