could we be the worst team in the NFL ?

[skinsdad62]

I’m not going to lie I am blown away that there are people that actually believe that Haskins is a better prospect then Burrow

it’s laughable to be honest

Yeah I mean how stupid are we ? He sent burrow packing already so of course there. Is no chance he could ever be a better prospect

 

[Sportster 72]

Burrow-402/527 for 76.3 completion percentage. 60/6 TD/int
Haskins- 373/533 for 70 completion percentage. 50/8

Ohio State lost one game in 2018 and it was a game they should not have lost. If we would like, we can compare surrounding talent as well, because in 2020 LSU had 5 first round picks, OSU in 2019 had 2. LSU had 2 second round picks, OSU had one. LSU had 3 thirds, OSU had 2.

I agree it is an argument for down the road but the better prospect was the question. When Redskin fans don’t even want to give their QB a chance, that is a problem. I simply want people to articulate a position and be able to say why. Looking simply at stats isn’t good enough, especially in a college realm because how good was Ty Detmer and Colt Brennan, both of whom set NCAA records. How good was Jamarcus Russell and his NCAA championship?

It is possible that Burrow improved, no argument. That would also mean that Haskins is capable of improving, unless he hit his ceiling. I can articulate why I am not a Joe Burrow fan and believe he is overrated. I watched Burrow play in exactly one game. I saw a ball with no zip and thought to myself countless times during the game, in the NFL that is an interception.

RG3 was definitely better during his rookie season than KC.


Unitas was cut by the Steelers because the coach thought he was not smart enough to play. How many snaps in practice did the coach give him? Zero. So did Ted Marchibroda, yes that Ted Marchibroda, beat out Unitas or was Unitas never given a shot? I think it is rather obvious Unitas was never given a shot, I mean literally zero snaps.

I think we are thinking along the same lines gk. Your statement of "well he beat him out one year" is over easy and I know you know more than that.

I agree there are plenty of QBs who excel in college and aren't very good in the NFL.

Even taking Griffin into consideration. With the offense designed for him in his rookie year he was pretty damned good but in any other metric Cousins was always better. Sadly Robert didn't see that style benefited him or maybe he would have had a better career.

I am not going to say Burrow is better than Haskins or vice versa. That has to be proven on the field. I don't think you can make people understand. You can give a point or illustrate a point but there are many different levels of fans here with many different levels of knowledge. They are going to be what they know …. or don't know.

As for Haskins we will see. I hope he continues to improve. I just left 24/7 where they are mocking Justin Fields to Washington in the 4th round. Not that I believe the mock …. just one more example of someone that thinks there is a better QB than Haskins that might be available.

 

[gkekoa]

I think we are thinking along the same lines gk. Your statement of "well he beat him out one year" is over easy and I know you know more than that.

I agree there are plenty of QBs who excel in college and aren't very good in the NFL.

Even taking Griffin into consideration. With the offense designed for him in his rookie year he was pretty damned good but in any other metric Cousins was always better. Sadly Robert didn't see that style benefited him or maybe he would have had a better career.

I am not going to say Burrow is better than Haskins or vice versa. That has to be proven on the field. I don't think you can make people understand. You can give a point or illustrate a point but there are many different levels of fans here with many different levels of knowledge. They are going to be what they know …. or don't know.

As for Haskins we will see. I hope he continues to improve. I just left 24/7 where they are mocking Justin Fields to Washington in the 4th round. Not that I believe the mock …. just one more example of someone that thinks there is a better QB than Haskins that might be available.

Agreed but my goal is not to convince people of my opinion...it is to get them to think. If they think, I naturally figure they will come to my conclusion. The funny thing is...people never actually ask what I believe.

 

[tomcat1]

Agreed but my goal is not to convince people of my opinion...it is to get them to think. If they think, I naturally figure they will come to my conclusion. The funny thing is...people never actually ask what I believe.

Please tell me what you really believe . . . . . I'm just messing with you my friend!

 

[gkekoa]

Please tell me what you really believe . . . . . I'm just messing with you my friend!

I know you are messing but I share my actual opinion very little. So here goes:

Haskins and Burrow are both one year wonders, and both had tremendous final years. Haskins was a sophomore his final season and Burrow was a fifth year senior. Haskins is actually younger than Burrow for those who do not know. Joe Burrow had the luxury of having almost all NFL players on his team that rank higher than what Haskins had.

With that being said, I would expect Burrows to have a better chance of success, not because he is better but because his coaching staff selected him. Rivera may not have the same loyalty with Haskins.

I was not impressed with Joe Burrow at LSU. Like I said, I only watched one game and was very unimpressed. He appeared to have no zip on the ball and had he made those throws against NFL players, they would have been picked. That being said, arm strength is one of the most over-rated aspects of a QB so he can still be very successful.

Which would I rather have of the two? It doesn’t really matter. I view their talents roughly equal. Would I rather have Burrow at #1 overall or Haskins at 15...give me Haskins.

 

[Stymietee]

I know you are messing but I share my actual opinion very little. So here goes:

Haskins and Burrow are both one year wonders, and both had tremendous final years. Haskins was a sophomore his final season and Burrow was a fifth year senior. Haskins is actually younger than Burrow for those who do not know. Joe Burrow had the luxury of having almost all NFL players on his team that rank higher than what Haskins had.

With that being said, I would expect Burrows to have a better chance of success, not because he is better but because his coaching staff selected him. Rivera may not have the same loyalty with Haskins.

I was not impressed with Joe Burrow at LSU. Like I said, I only watched one game and was very unimpressed. He appeared to have no zip on the ball and had he made those throws against NFL players, they would have been picked. That being said, arm strength is one of the most over-rated aspects of a QB so he can still be very successful.

Which would I rather have of the two? It doesn’t really matter. I view their talents roughly equal. Would I rather have Burrow at #1 overall or Haskins at 15...give me Haskins.

We pretty much agree on this, but I gave the like for a very specific reason. You wrote..." their talents roughly equal. Would I rather have Burrow at #1 overall or Haskins at 15...give me Haskins."

The bigger thud if both bust happens with taking a guy #1 overall. No doubt the 15th picks also hurts, but expectations differ because of where they are drafted.

 

[gkekoa]

We pretty much agree on this, but I gave the like for a very specific reason. You wrote..." their talents roughly equal. Would I rather have Burrow at #1 overall or Haskins at 15...give me Haskins."

The bigger thud if both bust happens with taking a guy #1 overall. No doubt the 15th picks also hurts, but expectations differ because of where they are drafted.

In modern football, to get Haskins at 15 is a complete steal.

 

[skinsdad62]

I know you are messing but I share my actual opinion very little. So here goes:

Haskins and Burrow are both one year wonders, and both had tremendous final years. Haskins was a sophomore his final season and Burrow was a fifth year senior. Haskins is actually younger than Burrow for those who do not know. Joe Burrow had the luxury of having almost all NFL players on his team that rank higher than what Haskins had.

With that being said, I would expect Burrows to have a better chance of success, not because he is better but because his coaching staff selected him. Rivera may not have the same loyalty with Haskins.

I was not impressed with Joe Burrow at LSU. Like I said, I only watched one game and was very unimpressed. He appeared to have no zip on the ball and had he made those throws against NFL players, they would have been picked. That being said, arm strength is one of the most over-rated aspects of a QB so he can still be very successful.

Which would I rather have of the two? It doesn’t really matter. I view their talents roughly equal. Would I rather have Burrow at #1 overall or Haskins at 15...give me Haskins.

You do understand he played against NFL caliber opponents and made some great throws

watch more then one game , he is at least a first round talent

 

[skinsdad62]

In modern football, to get Haskins at 15 is a complete steal.

Unless you are 2021

 

[gkekoa]

You do understand he played against NFL caliber opponents and made some great throws

watch more then one game , he is at least a first round talent

I didn’t say he wasn’t. I said he was overrated. He should have gone number one overall, only because Tua has a history. Burrow is far from a sure thing.

 

[Sportster 72]

I know you are messing but I share my actual opinion very little. So here goes:

Haskins and Burrow are both one year wonders, and both had tremendous final years. Haskins was a sophomore his final season and Burrow was a fifth year senior. Haskins is actually younger than Burrow for those who do not know. Joe Burrow had the luxury of having almost all NFL players on his team that rank higher than what Haskins had.

With that being said, I would expect Burrows to have a better chance of success, not because he is better but because his coaching staff selected him. Rivera may not have the same loyalty with Haskins.

I was not impressed with Joe Burrow at LSU. Like I said, I only watched one game and was very unimpressed. He appeared to have no zip on the ball and had he made those throws against NFL players, they would have been picked. That being said, arm strength is one of the most over-rated aspects of a QB so he can still be very successful.

Which would I rather have of the two? It doesn’t really matter. I view their talents roughly equal. Would I rather have Burrow at #1 overall or Haskins at 15...give me Haskins.

Interesting thought about watching Burrow one time. I almost did the same thing but decided against.

I talked about this before Haskins was drafted. I only watched one game that he played in, it was against Penn State. OSU won but Penn State was handling them until OSU went to a screen game and Penn State had no answer. You can find lots of people that can throw a screen pass. I blamed the loss on Franklin and his assistants for not adjusting.

When I comes to Burrow I only saw him play in the playoffs and the dude lit it up. Great touch on the deep ball. Good intermediate throws and running. He accounted for over 500 yards of offense and 6 TDs in the NC game.

As far as teammates, Haskins had just about as many NFL drafted teammates. That is a wash.

All that said. No clue which one will be better. Both went to bad teams. I have no way of predicting which will be better. It will work out on the field over the next few years. I would say the higher expectation will be on Burrow for being the 1st overall pick versus Haskins who was a mid 1st round pick. Unfortunately for Dwayne he didn't go to the Steelers or Packers like Big Ben and Rodgers did.

 

[gkekoa]

Interesting thought about watching Burrow one time. I almost did the same thing but decided against.

I talked about this before Haskins was drafted. I only watched one game that he played in, it was against Penn State. OSU won but Penn State was handling them until OSU went to a screen game and Penn State had no answer. You can find lots of people that can throw a screen pass. I blamed the loss on Franklin and his assistants for not adjusting.

When I comes to Burrow I only saw him play in the playoffs and the dude lit it up. Great touch on the deep ball. Good intermediate throws and running. He accounted for over 500 yards of offense and 6 TDs in the NC game.

As far as teammates, Haskins had just about as many NFL drafted teammates. That is a wash.

All that said. No clue which one will be better. Both went to bad teams. I have no way of predicting which will be better. It will work out on the field over the next few years. I would say the higher expectation will be on Burrow for being the 1st overall pick versus Haskins who was a mid 1st round pick. Unfortunately for Dwayne he didn't go to the Steelers or Packers like Big Ben and Rodgers did.

I just showed you that Haskins did not have the same surrounding talent. Burrow had three more first rounders and had more in each of the next two rounds. I didn’t look to round 4 because at that point it is all a crap shoot. Burrow had 25% more of his surrounding team as top three round players. That is huge.

 

[Breed]

Rivera may not have the same loyalty with Haskins.

RR also has a QB to fall back on who's well versed in the offensive system he wants to employ. Whereas Cincy really is putting all their eggs in 1 basket. Or so it seems with Burrow when they cut the Red Rifle.

 

[tomcat1]

I know you are messing but I share my actual opinion very little. So here goes:

Haskins and Burrow are both one year wonders, and both had tremendous final years. Haskins was a sophomore his final season and Burrow was a fifth year senior. Haskins is actually younger than Burrow for those who do not know. Joe Burrow had the luxury of having almost all NFL players on his team that rank higher than what Haskins had.

With that being said, I would expect Burrows to have a better chance of success, not because he is better but because his coaching staff selected him. Rivera may not have the same loyalty with Haskins.

I was not impressed with Joe Burrow at LSU. Like I said, I only watched one game and was very unimpressed. He appeared to have no zip on the ball and had he made those throws against NFL players, they would have been picked. That being said, arm strength is one of the most over-rated aspects of a QB so he can still be very successful.

Which would I rather have of the two? It doesn’t really matter. I view their talents roughly equal. Would I rather have Burrow at #1 overall or Haskins at 15...give me Haskins.

Thanks for sharing your opinion which you stated well.

 

[Skins2021]

I just showed you that Haskins did not have the same surrounding talent. Burrow had three more first rounders and had more in each of the next two rounds. I didn’t look to round 4 because at that point it is all a crap shoot. Burrow had 25% more of his surrounding team as top three round players. That is huge.

Burrow played in SEC against SEC talent... that is more huge

 

[Stymietee]

Burrow played in SEC against SEC talent... that is more huge

Not all SEC talent is equal, and not all Big 10 talent is the same, but if you want to use this metric, he played in the SEC because he didn't make the cut in the Big 10. Go figure

 

[broncosmitty]

 

[gkekoa]

Burrow played in SEC against SEC talent... that is more huge

Does it? So throwing the ball to Randy Moss is less important than playing against Patrick Peterson when Peterson is on the other side of the field?

Not everybody in the SEC is pro level. Why isn’t Terry Bradshaw ever mentioned among the super elites in history? Because people realize he played a part but it was a part quite a few could have played. He was surrounded by what...11 HOFers? When you play with greatness, it can mask your deficiencies.

 

[Sportster 72]

I just showed you that Haskins did not have the same surrounding talent. Burrow had three more first rounders and had more in each of the next two rounds. I didn’t look to round 4 because at that point it is all a crap shoot. Burrow had 25% more of his surrounding team as top three round players. That is huge.

This has now turned into a 5th grade argument and if you can't debate like an adult I am done. You haven't shown me anything other than your desire to be right and as I said we will not know that for several years. Later.

 

[gkekoa]

This has now turned into a 5th grade argument and if you can't debate like an adult I am done. You haven't shown me anything other than your desire to be right and as I said we will not know that for several years. Later.

I actually gave you information. You then said two things were equal. Then I gave you the actual number discrepancy.

Finally, you turn childish and say I am debating like a fifth grader and you are quitting. I think one is acting like a fifth grader and it is he person who quit when they didn’t get their way.