College Football Imperialism Map

[Gatorchip]

YEAH!

They have my old home county as belonging to the Charlotte 49ers...well, i know for a fact that my hometown is just as close to Columbia as it is to Charlotte, and for that matter, most of the residents of Charlotte are Gamecock fans. Nobody gives two scoops of rat shit about UNCC.

For that matter, most of Charlotte doesn't care for UNC, Duke, Wake, NC State, or East Carolina when it comes to football...especially all the banking industry transplants.

But it has nothing to do with where the fans are located. It has nothing to do with the fans at all.

 

[7Samurai13]

Nah, I don't think we ended up with very much map at all last year.

UCF did.

Pitt ended up with a lot last year.

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

But it has nothing to do with where the fans are located. It has nothing to do with the fans at all.

And that just TEARS ME UP inside

They've forgotten it's supposed to be about the fans

 

[BigAppleBadger]

Yes because they should do a census to find out what teams each households root for in a totally meaningless thing.

It doesn’t take much work to know that college football fans in Milwaukee generally root for Wisconsin and not Northwestern.

 

[Gatorchip]

No, I understand it. I just disagree with it. I know what they’re doing, and they’re doing it wrong.

How are they doing it wrong?
Are you a professional cartographer? Do you define the country lines? If you actually do understand it, that means you think that either the maps, school locations, or county lines are drawn incorrectly.

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

Pitt ended up with a lot last year.

Last year? or 2016, after they beat Clemson?

 

[BigAppleBadger]

How are they doing it wrong?
Are you a professional cartographer? Do you define the country lines? If you actually do understand it, that means you think that either the maps, school locations, or county lines are drawn incorrectly.

No, it just means they’ve used a bogus methodology that assigns counties to the wrong schools.

 

[7Samurai13]

Last year? or 2016, after they beat Clemson?

Last year, they beat undefeated Miami who had beaten undefeated Notre Dame.

 

[Gatorchip]

No, it just means they’ve used a bogus methodology that assigns counties to the wrong schools.

ok cool. Now we are getting somewhere.

They aren't doing it "wrong". You just don't like the well defined methodology that removes 100% of the bias.

A subjective method is more your style.

 

[7Samurai13]

It doesn’t take much work to know that college football fans in Milwaukee generally root for Wisconsin and not Northwestern.

And Wisconsin has counties in Michigan.

 

[7Samurai13]

Last year, they beat undefeated Miami who had beaten undefeated Notre Dame.

Sorry, Notre Dame were one loss but it was early in the season

 

[BigAppleBadger]

ok cool. Now we are getting somewhere.

They aren't doing it "wrong". You just don't like the well defined methodology that removes 100% of the bias.

A subjective method is more your style.

So a little less about analysis (statistical or otherwise):

It doesn’t just need to be “objective”, it needs to reflect reality.

I could make a prediction about the next election and say that my analysis assumes that all people with blue eyes will vote Republican. It’s objective - I’m not cherry-picking voters - but it’s BS, because that’s not what determines how people vote.

People aren’t fans of a certain team because the middle point of their county is closest by straight line distance to that team’s campus. It’s “objective”, but it has no basis in reality. So the resulting map doesn’t really show anything meaningful.

They would be better off basing it on jersey sales, which team’s games the local TV affiliate shows, or just plain common sense. If they got the starting map right, then it’s an interesting idea, but they don’t.

It’s the worst kind of analysis, one that is lazy and oversimplified, and illustrates the most famous maxim in statistical analysis - GIGO (“garbage in, garbage out”).

They should start with the question - “which is the most popular college football team in each county?”. It would take some work to figure out, perhaps some polling, etc. But then you have something interesting and meaningful.

 

[7Samurai13]

So a little less about analysis (statistical or otherwise):

It doesn’t just need to be “objective”, it needs to reflect reality.

I could make a prediction about the next election and say that my analysis assumes that all people with blue eyes will vote Republican. It’s objective - I’m not cherry-picking voters - but it’s BS, because that’s not what determines how people vote.

People aren’t fans of a certain team because the middle point of their county is closest by straight line distance to that team’s campus. It’s “objective”, but it has no basis in reality. So the resulting map doesn’t really show anything meaningful.

They would be better off basing it on jersey sales, which team’s games the local TV affiliate shows, or just plain common sense. If they got the starting map right, then it’s an interesting idea, but they don’t.

It’s the worst kind of analysis, one that is lazy and oversimplified, and illustrates the most famous maxim in statistical analysis - GIGO (“garbage in, garbage out”).

So then do you lt own that analyzes the location of major schools and what states they are in and what school they are fans have and I’m sure everyone will use it, but we all know your’s will just be all Wisconsin.

 

[PnkPanther]

No, it just means they’ve used a bogus methodology that assigns counties to the wrong schools.

That's not what the map represents, I think you need to get over that. I get you, you feel Wisconsin is slighted, lighten up

 

[BigAppleBadger]

That's not what the map represents, I think you need to get over that. I get you, you feel Wisconsin is slighted, lighten up

I know it’s not. All it shows is which school is geographically closest. But that doesn’t mean anything.

 

[PnkPanther]

So a little less about analysis (statistical or otherwise):

It doesn’t just need to be “objective”, it needs to reflect reality.

I could make a prediction about the next election and say that my analysis assumes that all people with blue eyes will vote Republican. It’s objective - I’m not cherry-picking voters - but it’s BS, because that’s not what determines how people vote.

People aren’t fans of a certain team because the middle point of their county is closest by straight line distance to that team’s campus. It’s “objective”, but it has no basis in reality. So the resulting map doesn’t really show anything meaningful.

They would be better off basing it on jersey sales, which team’s games the local TV affiliate shows, or just plain common sense. If they got the starting map right, then it’s an interesting idea, but they don’t.

It’s the worst kind of analysis, one that is lazy and oversimplified, and illustrates the most famous maxim in statistical analysis - GIGO (“garbage in, garbage out”).

They should start with the question - “which is the most popular college football team in each county?”. It would take some work to figure out, perhaps some polling, etc. But then you have something interesting and meaningful.

The reality is fans don't convert after a loss, so...I mean..it's just for fun and you're upset because you don't think the badgers get properly represented

 

[PnkPanther]

I know it’s not. All it shows is which school is geographically closest. But that doesn’t mean anything.

none of this means anything. It's meaningless.

If you don't think it's fun or neat, just don't pay attention.

 

[BigAppleBadger]

So then do you lt own that analyzes the location of major schools and what states they are in and what school they are fans have and I’m sure everyone will use it, but we all know your’s will just be all Wisconsin.

Well no, but in my version the bigger programs that are most popular would start with a lot more territory. The nothing programs would start with very little.

The result is that you’d gain lots of territory by beating a big team, and not much at all for beating a nothing team.

For instance, ND would have most of Michigan and UK wouldn’t have anything except maybe Kalamazoo.

 

[PnkPanther]

NDSU fans are going to be pissed they're not represented

 

[Moab]

It is only not reasonable to Wisconsin fans.

A Wisconsin fan, not all.