College Football 11/24/12

[EKmane]

Devin Taylor isn't anywhere near the athlete JJ Watt is either.

You're high!

 

[clyde_carbon]

We were only talking about athleticism,not about talent.

Yes. J.J. Watt is an ELITE athlete. He had a 4.81 40, 34 bench reps, 37" vertical, 10 foot broad, a 4.21 shuttle and a 6.88 3-cone at 6-6 290. That's ridiculous.

Mario Williams had 4.77 40, 35 bench reps, 40" vertical, 10 foot broad, 4.37 shuttle, and a 7.21 cone at 6-7 295.

 

[EKmane]

Yes. J.J. Watt is an ELITE athlete. He had a 4.81 40, 34 bench reps, 37" vertical, 10 foot broad, a 4.21 shuttle and a 6.88 3-cone at 6-6 290. That's ridiculous.

Mario Williams had 4.77 40, 35 bench reps, 40" vertical, 10 foot broad, 4.37 shuttle, and a 7.21 cone at 6-7 295.

I'm pretty sure Murphy puts up similar numbers, we'll have to wait and see. Again though, in no way am I saying that his talent level is in the same ballpark as those ELITE players.

I know Watts numbers were insane for his size, thats for sure

 

[NinerSickness]

You're high!

You're oblivious to how athletic JJ Watt is. Devin Taylor is not an elite athlete as far as defensive linemen go. You can't compare him to the likes of Watt, Mario Williams, Julius Peppers, JPP, etc. And you certainly can't compare Murphy to those guys.

Force = mass X acceleration. The force Watt exudes is off the charts.

 

[EKmane]

You're oblivious to how athletic JJ Watt is. Devin Taylor is not an elite athlete as far as defensive linemen go. You can't compare him to the likes of Watt, Mario Williams, Julius Peppers, JPP, etc. And you certainly can't compare Murphy to those guys.

Force = mass X acceleration. The force Watt exudes is off the charts.

These guys that I'm refering to are to athletic to be d linemen , they both play 3-4 ob and drop into coverage consistently as a strength. What are you talking about?

I know exactly how athletic all of those guys are and were (in some cases). You keep comparing d linemen to olb's and trying to tell me that the de's are more athletic, get real. The Watts, Williams and Peppers of the world are and were the most some of the most athletic players from THEIR POSITIONS, as well as some of the best overall talents.

You keep acting like athleticism = greatness, you sound like one of those guys that base your draft board on the combine, get out of fantasy land, that's not how it works, if it was then Manny Lawson would be on his way to the Canton right now.

 

[NinerSickness]

You keep acting like athleticism = greatness, you sound like one of those guys that base your draft board on the combine, get out of fantasy land, that's not how it works, if it was then Manny Lawson would be on his way to the Canton right now.

No, I never said anything about greatness. I'm talking about them strictly from an athletic point f vew, and the guys I mentioned were elite athletes.

JPP could play OLB, but if you want another name then Von Miller. He's absolutely an elite athlete. Murphy is nowhere near that level.

If you want other positions, I'm talking about gyuys like Clavin Johnson, Vernon Davis, Patrick Peterson & Sean Taylor (RIP). You were trying to say Murphy & Devin Taylor were close to those kinds of guys in terms of athleticism. That's insane. Devin Taylor & Murphy are average athletes in NFL terms.

 

[clyde_carbon]

I'm pretty sure Murphy puts up similar numbers, we'll have to wait and see. Again though, in no way am I saying that his talent level is in the same ballpark as those ELITE players.

I know Watts numbers were insane for his size, thats for sure

I doubt Murphy puts up those kinds of numbers. I don't think any DL puts up those kinds of numbers this year. That type of athlete comes along once every 3 or 4 years. The next one is Jadeveon Clowney in '14.

 

[EKmane]

No, I never said anything about greatness. I'm talking about them strictly from an athletic point f vew, and the guys I mentioned were elite athletes.

JPP could play OLB, but if you want another name then Von Miller. He's absolutely an elite athlete. Murphy is nowhere near that level.

If you want other positions, I'm talking about gyuys like Clavin Johnson, Vernon Davis, Patrick Peterson & Sean Taylor (RIP). You were trying to say Murphy & Devin Taylor were close to those kinds of guys in terms of athleticism. That's insane. Devin Taylor & Murphy are average athletes in NFL terms.

Von Miller is why more athletic than the de's you were talking about, I'm not sure your point? I never said Murph and Taylor were as athletic as Von Miller, Calvin , Vernon, Patrick Peterson (for christ sakes) and Sean Taylor. HOW TE HELL IS ANY OF THIS RELEVANT?

Read back and you'll see where you compared JJ Watt's athleticism to Trent Murphy, I said I think Murph is more athletic, then I changed and said they'll be in the same ballpark. Now you've lost yur mind and started comparing apples to dump trucks.

I think you should go try to figure what EXACTLY YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY. There are more iteresting threads than where this one has went.

 

[EKmane]

I doubt Murphy puts up those kinds of numbers. I don't think any DL puts up those kinds of numbers this year. That type of athlete comes along once every 3 or 4 years. The next one is Jadeveon Clowney in '14.

He'll be a 3-4 olb.

 

[clyde_carbon]

He'll be a 3-4 olb.

Still won't post the same numbers.

 

[imac_21]

These guys that I'm refering to are to athletic to be d linemen , they both play 3-4 ob and drop into coverage consistently as a strength. What are you talking about?

I know exactly how athletic all of those guys are and were (in some cases). You keep comparing d linemen to olb's and trying to tell me that the de's are more athletic, get real. The Watts, Williams and Peppers of the world are and were the most some of the most athletic players from THEIR POSITIONS, as well as some of the best overall talents.

You keep acting like athleticism = greatness, you sound like one of those guys that base your draft board on the combine, get out of fantasy land, that's not how it works, if it was then Manny Lawson would be on his way to the Canton right now.

How do you each define athleticism? It seems as though Sick's definition is all encompassing (speed, agility, strength and power) whereas EK's is focused more on the speed and agility and less so on the strength and power side of it.

 

[NinerSickness]

Read back and you'll see where you compared JJ Watt's athleticism to Trent Murphy, I said I think Murph is more athletic, then I changed and said they'll be in the same ballpark.

I'm saying they're not even in the same ballpark. Murphy is an average (maybe below average) athlete compared to most starting 3-4 OLBs & DEs in the NFL. Devin taylor has some aspects of athleticism that are really good, but he doesn't have the agility nor strength of a great athlete at his position. At the VERY least, not compared to JJ Watt. They're not all that special athletically in NFL terms. If they were, they'd be really high picks (especially Murphy).

 

[EKmane]

How do you each define athleticism? It seems as though Sick's definition is all encompassing (speed, agility, strength and power) whereas EK's is focused more on the speed and agility and less so on the strength and power side of it.

I'm talking about power numbers too. I think Trent Murphy will post some really good numbers at the combine, maybe good enough to sneak into the 2nd round.

I'm not talking about as good as Von Miller, Pat Peterson Calvin Jhnson and all that shit though, I'm ust saying that he's a better athlete than some are giving him credit for.

I'm sure people will be surprised.

 

[EKmane]

I'm saying they're not even in the same ballpark. Murphy is an average (maybe below average) athlete compared to most starting 3-4 OLBs & DEs in the NFL. Devin taylor has some aspects of athleticism that are really good, but he doesn't have the agility nor strength of a great athlete at his position. At the VERY least, not compared to JJ Watt. They're not all that special athletically in NFL terms. If they were, they'd be really high picks (especially Murphy).

Again, SPECIAL ATHLETICISM WON'T MAKE YOU A REALLY HIGH PICK.

Let's just draft Usain Bolt to play wr and return specialist because he's the best athlete in the world and his strengths fit to that position.

 

[EKmane]

The 25 Most Freakish Athletes in College Football | Bleacher Report

So you think these players will all be really high picks.

 

[NinerSickness]

Again, SPECIAL ATHLETICISM WON'T MAKE YOU A REALLY HIGH PICK.

It would if Murphy had it because Murphy has also been very productive & a key to a great college defense. The reason he's probably not taken in the first couple of rounds is because he's not a great athlete.

 

[EKmane]

It would if Murphy had it because Murphy has also been very productive & a key to a great college defense. The reason he's probably not taken in the first couple of rounds is because he's not a great athlete.

I get what your saying, now see what I keep saying. I think he could sneak into the 2nd after his combine, kind of how Shea McClean (wrong spelling) from Boise St snuck into the 1st to the Bears.

 

[imac_21]

Again, SPECIAL ATHLETICISM WON'T MAKE YOU A REALLY HIGH PICK.

Let's just draft Usain Bolt to play wr and return specialist because he's the best athlete in the world and his strengths fit to that position.

And again, we're going to discuss the definition of athleticism. Bolt is the fastest man at 100m in the world. That's far different than "best athlete." How is his lateral movement? How is his power?

 

[imac_21]

I'm talking about power numbers too. I think Trent Murphy will post some really good numbers at the combine, maybe good enough to sneak into the 2nd round.

I'm not talking about as good as Von Miller, Pat Peterson Calvin Jhnson and all that shit though, I'm ust saying that he's a better athlete than some are giving him credit for.

I'm sure people will be surprised.

So you aren't saying he's in the class of Miller, Peterson and Johnson, but he is in the class of Watt?

IIRC (Sick may be able to confirm), Watt had one of the fastest 3-cone times at the combine in 2011. He was quicker than a lot of CBs, WRs and RBs. By a lot, I mean most, possibly all.

 

[Ray_Dogg]

I like Ben Gardner.