Coffee Talk: 7 Words You Can't Say to Jack Johnson

[SLY]

… that’s not to say they don’t do things that benefit workers, that’d be silly. But they care more about their donors than they do the general public. Their policies and action/inaction speak for themselves.

 

[mattola]

Could be something about the "record voter turn out" , but 18 million less Dem votes than last time.
Math doesn't quite check out there.

 

[mattola]

I don't want to write a long page of text, but these are some of the main factors that I think contributed to Kamala losing:

1. Right wing propaganda machine is very powerful - You have Joe Rogan, Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh just to name a few but there are many others churning out content 24/7 and the left wing has nothing comparable to it.

2. Kamala was saddled with being linked to Biden and the anti-incumbency factor. People are pissed off about inflation and blame Biden and by default Kamala as she took over for Joe.

3. Linked to 2 above, Kamala didn't do enough to separate herself from Biden. I think the Muslin and Arab-Americans voters really despise Biden and Kamala for what is happening in the Middle East and they voted their displeasure.

4. A lot of Americans still don't want a woman to be president, let alone a woman of color.

I really don't think the Dems have forgotten about the working class when they're proposing free school lunches and expanding health care, but that message did not resonate with voters for some reason.

Not to be ignored and its not Insignificant and it seems unrelated but it's not. When the whole Star wars the acolyte TV show was going through. Its absolute hate fest through the internet. I was following quite a few YouTube channels that have millions and millions of viewers and they're all hardcore conservative people and they spread their message through every one of their their messages and through every one of their YouTube posts that has influence as well

 

[thedddd]

That’s half the story, messaging and marketing. The Left sucks at it. Facts don’t matter to many voters, it’s how they feel that matters.

And no, the Democratic Party has shifted towards big money interests and away from the working class. There’s plenty of hard facts to back that up. There is brainwashing on all sides… and social media is for sure brain cancer to our youth (really everyone)… hell, I grew up poor with a single mom. She relied on government assistance, and was never really religious. Since 2016, she’s all in on weird conspiracy theories, cultish Christian influencers on YouTube, loves Trump, thinks Clinton’s and Obama’s drink children’s blood, the earth is flat. I love her, she means well, but she’s fucking nuts and drank the YouTube right wing koolaid.

I disagree with that. The facts prove otherwise with all the policies enacted, just because you have famous people talking about your platform doesn't mean you left the workclass. In the end they need people of money if not they wouldn't be able to fund campaigns. Hell look at Trump if it wasn't for Elon he wouldn't have been able to afford all those ad's.

Your second point is what causes people to not understand what is going on, folks tend to believe BS and don't take the time to read and understand.

 

[SLY]

I disagree with that. The facts prove otherwise with all the policies enacted, just because you have famous people talking about your platform doesn't mean you left the workclass. In the end they need people of money if not they wouldn't be able to fund campaigns. Hell look at Trump if it wasn't for Elon he wouldn't have been able to afford all those ad's.

Your second point is what causes people to not understand what is going on, folks tend to believe BS and don't take the time to read and understand.

There is a trove of articles by credible sources on how the Left lost the working class, that predate Bernie’s comments. Ignorance is bliss. Reddit is just as bad as Facebook.

 

[Comeds]

This is the reason, but wait this is the reason, now hold in this is the reason, but maybe this is the reason, but now look at this - this is the reason, but seriously now this is the reason, ok lets try the first one again.

 

[forty_three]

This is on a Union thread. There are valid points here and the one of note that is very important to understand. Trumps most effective ad campaign was the anti-trans and a lot of people bought into this culture war. So those folks really didn't change their vote because of the "economy" it was they were all afraid to turn gay or change their sex.



The thing with Bernie is he was very instrumental in the Biden presidency. He and Biden both literally stated this, and he was going to be on Biden's cabinet if they didn't deem him staying in the Senate was more important.
And as exit polls showed Biden's presidency was not very favorable? Why I have no clue, but there was a sense of distancing from Bernie with the hope it would attract the independents that "hate socialism". Was it the right strategy? Probably not, but I have a feeling those people who were never voting weren't coming no matter what. Voter apathy is a major issue in this country.

The youth get all their information from Joe Rogan or Jake Paul. Information doesn't get to them and people are severely brainwashed

Podcasters have control of the narrative in a way that Fox News could only fantasize about in the wildest of their wet dreams. And people actually think these guys are credible sources even after it was exposed how many of them are paid for by Russia.

 

[thedddd]

There is a trove of articles by credible sources on how the Left lost the working class, that predate Bernie’s comments. Ignorance is bliss. Reddit is just as bad as Facebook.

Whatever, if you want to believe opinions, have at it. But the reality is there from the policies and spending. The infrastructure bill, the Chips act, the student loan forgiveness, etc...
You like to bring up Bernie like he has some wisdom that no other democrats have. Like I stated he had his hands all over this Presidency and if they were leaving the working class he is part of the problem also.

This election, one of their biggest issues is the online rhetoric, too many people fell for it. IE...the Dems are leaving the working class, Trans people are bad, gay people are bad, immigrants are killing people, they are going to take your guns away and so on.
Unfortunately, breaking people from believing these things is a lot harder to do vs getting to people fall for it.

 

[thedddd]

The youth get all their information from Joe Rogan or Jake Paul. Information doesn't get to them and people are severely brainwashed

Podcasters have control of the narrative in a way that Fox News could only fantasize about in the wildest of their wet dreams. And people actually think these guys are credible sources even after it was exposed how many of them are paid for by Russia.

And that is the one of the problems the Dems had with their messaging. They liked to attack Trump (which I thought was stupid because anyone who wasn't voting for Trump already knew how bad he was) and this just fueled the fire for these podcasters.

 

[DJ Fieri]

LMAO.

 

[Comeds]

The youth get all their information from Joe Rogan or Jake Paul. Information doesn't get to them and people are severely brainwashed

Podcasters have control of the narrative in a way that Fox News could only fantasize about in the wildest of their wet dreams. And people actually think these guys are credible sources even after it was exposed how many of them are paid for by Russia.

So what you're saying is - its the Democrat's fault they dont have more popular podcasters? Fair point.

Since the super liberal democratic nonprofit Citizens United case and decision - I just feel the party is focused on the donors - not the people.

 

[forty_three]

And that is the one of the problems the Dems had with their messaging. They liked to attack Trump (which I thought was stupid because anyone who wasn't voting for Trump already knew how bad he was) and this just fueled the fire for these podcasters.

Several on the street interviews had people citing that fact that Kamala did not go on Rogan as the sole reason they voted for Trump.

They didn't care that she was willing, but couldn't fit traveling to him into her campaign schedule (you know where she was trying to fulfill her womanly duty to excite the voters). And he refused to accommodate her. Which is his right because, well, he isn't a journalist. If he was a journalist and the opportunity to interview ANY presidential candidate or world leader appears to you, you should be willing to do it even if it isn't convenient. And he had an agenda the whole way, but that is secondary.

 

[forty_three]

So what you're saying is - its the Democrat's fault they dont have more popular podcasters? Fair point.

Well, yeah that and the fact that Swedish and Finnish Socialist Oligarch money isn't a good as the Saudi and Russian money so liberal podcasters also have to have real jobs.

They key to the next election is going to be to advertise on Only fans by putting campaign slogans on eGirls' feet.

 

[Comeds]

Well, yeah that and the fact that Swedish and Finnish Socialist Oligarch money isn't a good as the Saudi and Russian money so liberal podcasters also have to have real jobs.

They key to the next election is going to be to advertise on Only fans by putting campaign slogans on eGirls' feet.

I also fully expect Fan Duel and Draft Kings etc. to be fully involved in the next election cycle.

Edit - ^ joke but after posting I can kind of actually see that

 

[KennyBanyeah]

This is the reason, but wait this is the reason, now hold in this is the reason, but maybe this is the reason, but now look at this - this is the reason, but seriously now this is the reason, ok lets try the first one again.

The Dems lost because their policies were somewhat lukewarm towards America's working and middle class. As a result all those votes went to the party whose policies are <checks notes> absolutely awful for the middle and working classes.

Story checks out.

 

[dash]

The Dems lost because their policies were somewhat lukewarm towards America's working and middle class. As a result all those votes went to the party whose policies are <checks notes> absolutely awful for the middle and working classes.

Story checks out.

If the working class American thinks the economy is bad now, just wait and see what happens if Trump actually goes through with the mass deportation of immigrants combined with his tariffs. When Trump talks about a 1929 type crash happening to the stock market if he didn't win this election, I am thinking he was just preparing people for that crash when he takes office. Sure, you can buy the dip, but I might die before the recovery lol.

 

[thedddd]

So what you're saying is - its the Democrat's fault they dont have more popular podcasters? Fair point.

Since the super liberal democratic nonprofit Citizens United case and decision - I just feel the party is focused on the donors - not the people.

We can look at this something like the History Channel. All the shows that actually talked about history and factual information, meh....
Let's talk about ancient advanced civilizations, aliens and digging a hole on an island in Canada just to sniff wood. Ratings gold!

Same thing with politics in the US. No need to have a very qualified candidate with actual track record of doing good for a group of people but I don't like them because they laugh weird (or be a woman or even worse a woman of color). When all you have to say is "Lock her up", "Build the wall", Trans people, Immigrants are eating your dogs and cats on top of being a convicted felon and rapist.

If that is the case then this guy should be the next candidate

 

[buffhockey]

Did I miss the big announcement?

 

[forty_three]

I also fully expect Fan Duel and Draft Kings etc. to be fully involved in the next election cycle.

Edit - ^ joke but after posting I can kind of actually see that

I would love to see an analysis on how many people voted for Trump solely because they got good odds at some point and had money on him winning.

 

[dare2be]

The earlier post if they do away with the Department of Education, THIS is a major ramification.

https://twitter.com/vexedinthecity/status/1854570468189118767

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Eh, kids with special needs are just losers anyway. No more propping them up.