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You fell victim to one of the classic blunders.
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Or do you prefer CEH?
As the graphs below show, this kid has been climbing up the draft boards.
Owners involved in other leagues here on the SportsHoopla boards have seen CEH go as high as #2 overall!
Yes, the kid was a first round pick (32).
Yes, he landed in a great spot with KC.
I participate in a league on the Sleeper site and let me tell you, the majority of those owners are clamoring for some CEH love. Any message/question involving him is overwhelmingly in favor of pulling the trigger early on this kid.
I think there are some red flags with this philosophy/outlook. You may vehemently disagree, but I plan on presenting a few here:
COMBINE RESULTS
CEH was the 17th-slowest RB at the combine (4.60) in the 40-yard dash.
Including the results from all other positions, CEH did not crack the top 100 in speed. (101 to be exact.)
His vertical was above average. (39.5)
Of the 23 RB that participated in the bench press, he tied for 3rd-worst (15 reps).
Result: he tested slower and weaker than his draft counterparts.
SIZE
He is 5-7 and 207 lbs.
Of the 30 RB at the combine, he was the smallest.
Only 7 of the 30 RB were lighter than he was.
As a relatively short person myself, I tend to pull for the little guy. Seriously, I do.
However, in the NFL, not many RB of that size (5-7) have much success.
In fact, though there have been several of that size or smaller to play in the NFL, the list of successful 5-7 RB basically begins and ends with Maurice Jones Drew or MJD.
Before you jump on the MJD and CEH comparisons, I should point out that while MJD's numbers were respectable, it did take him 3 years before he was considered to be the prototypical "round 1" fantasy potential.
If fantasy owners are going to draft a guy like CEH expecting him to be Ezekiel Elliott or Saquon Barkley, it won't happen. Historical odds say so.
ANDY REID & KC
There is no disputing the success of Andy Reid.
Quarterback whisperer.
Offensive genius.
Successful and balanced game manager.
Not to mention the list of quality RB that he has mentored and coached over time.
Seems like any RB in his system will have success.
Names such as Jamaal Charles, Kareem Hunt and even plug-ins Charcandrick West and Spencer Ware only add to this mystique.
Some see CEH as Reid's new bellcow in a high-powered offense.
Which is certainly fueling the confidence in his first-round selection in fantasy drafts.
I don't want to go too far back in the Andy Reid coaching history, so for argument's sake, let's just focus on the 7-year tenure of Reid in Kansas City.
There are basically 2 regimes to consider: Alex Smith and Patrick Mahomes.
During the Reid/Smith era, the lead RB has had a 53% share in the team's* rushing attempts.
* When I say "team" keep in mind that this encompasses ALL rushing attempts including the QB.
In the Reid/Mahomes era, the lead RB has had a 38% share in the team's rushing attempts.
Granted, the lead RB has been a crapshoot and work-in-progress for the most part in the Mahomes short era.
Yet, that said, since Mahomes has taken over for Alex Smith in the Reid system, the total rushing attempts has dropped by an average of 42 attempts per season!
Plus after KC gave Mahomes half a billion dollars, is it money well spent to see him hand the ball over to the diminutive RB rookie?
Keep in mind too that on high-powered offenses, it can be the Achille's heel for fantasy owners as they see the ball spread around to a plethora of weapons on those offenses.
Kelce, Hill, (last year's darling) Hardman, Watkins, CEH.
CEH and bellcow proponents may point to Reid's history of relying on a top RB.
Coaches can be stubborn and avoid change.
Surely this approach would favor CEH.
Yet Reid won a championship by NOT using this philosophy.
Does this influence his approach to the RB going forward?
I could be wrong.
I don't have a DeLorean or phone booth to time travel.
But CEH's size, the change in direction in the regime, not to mention that all of this is taking place without a typical preseason or practices raise some severe red flags for me.
Am I alone?
As the graphs below show, this kid has been climbing up the draft boards.
Owners involved in other leagues here on the SportsHoopla boards have seen CEH go as high as #2 overall!
Yes, the kid was a first round pick (32).
Yes, he landed in a great spot with KC.
I participate in a league on the Sleeper site and let me tell you, the majority of those owners are clamoring for some CEH love. Any message/question involving him is overwhelmingly in favor of pulling the trigger early on this kid.
I think there are some red flags with this philosophy/outlook. You may vehemently disagree, but I plan on presenting a few here:
COMBINE RESULTS
CEH was the 17th-slowest RB at the combine (4.60) in the 40-yard dash.
Including the results from all other positions, CEH did not crack the top 100 in speed. (101 to be exact.)
His vertical was above average. (39.5)
Of the 23 RB that participated in the bench press, he tied for 3rd-worst (15 reps).
Result: he tested slower and weaker than his draft counterparts.
SIZE
He is 5-7 and 207 lbs.
Of the 30 RB at the combine, he was the smallest.
Only 7 of the 30 RB were lighter than he was.
As a relatively short person myself, I tend to pull for the little guy. Seriously, I do.
However, in the NFL, not many RB of that size (5-7) have much success.
In fact, though there have been several of that size or smaller to play in the NFL, the list of successful 5-7 RB basically begins and ends with Maurice Jones Drew or MJD.
Before you jump on the MJD and CEH comparisons, I should point out that while MJD's numbers were respectable, it did take him 3 years before he was considered to be the prototypical "round 1" fantasy potential.
If fantasy owners are going to draft a guy like CEH expecting him to be Ezekiel Elliott or Saquon Barkley, it won't happen. Historical odds say so.
ANDY REID & KC
There is no disputing the success of Andy Reid.
Quarterback whisperer.
Offensive genius.
Successful and balanced game manager.
Not to mention the list of quality RB that he has mentored and coached over time.
Seems like any RB in his system will have success.
Names such as Jamaal Charles, Kareem Hunt and even plug-ins Charcandrick West and Spencer Ware only add to this mystique.
Some see CEH as Reid's new bellcow in a high-powered offense.
Which is certainly fueling the confidence in his first-round selection in fantasy drafts.
I don't want to go too far back in the Andy Reid coaching history, so for argument's sake, let's just focus on the 7-year tenure of Reid in Kansas City.
There are basically 2 regimes to consider: Alex Smith and Patrick Mahomes.
During the Reid/Smith era, the lead RB has had a 53% share in the team's* rushing attempts.
* When I say "team" keep in mind that this encompasses ALL rushing attempts including the QB.
In the Reid/Mahomes era, the lead RB has had a 38% share in the team's rushing attempts.
Granted, the lead RB has been a crapshoot and work-in-progress for the most part in the Mahomes short era.
Yet, that said, since Mahomes has taken over for Alex Smith in the Reid system, the total rushing attempts has dropped by an average of 42 attempts per season!
Plus after KC gave Mahomes half a billion dollars, is it money well spent to see him hand the ball over to the diminutive RB rookie?
Keep in mind too that on high-powered offenses, it can be the Achille's heel for fantasy owners as they see the ball spread around to a plethora of weapons on those offenses.
Kelce, Hill, (last year's darling) Hardman, Watkins, CEH.
CEH and bellcow proponents may point to Reid's history of relying on a top RB.
Coaches can be stubborn and avoid change.
Surely this approach would favor CEH.
Yet Reid won a championship by NOT using this philosophy.
Does this influence his approach to the RB going forward?
I could be wrong.
I don't have a DeLorean or phone booth to time travel.
But CEH's size, the change in direction in the regime, not to mention that all of this is taking place without a typical preseason or practices raise some severe red flags for me.
Am I alone?
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