Chapman back to the Bronx

[SlinkyRedfoot]

who cares, they throw 65 innings a year

The 2016 Indians, and 2014 and 2015 Royals care about bullpens.

 

[navamind]

The 2016 Indians, and 2014 and 2015 Royals care about bullpens.

No doubt those bullpens played a huge role, but a strong bullpen has a lot more value in the postseason than the regular season. And that bullpen alone isn't going to get the Yanks into the postseason.

 

[purguy12]

Britton and Miller were both better than Chapman last year. There's a couple others as well.



I will admit, I was underestimating Betances. He's a lot better than I thought. That said:

2016 Numbers
Miller/Allen - 142.1 IP - 1.96 ERA - 210 K - 0.84 WHIP

Betances/Chapman - 131.0 IP - 2.40 ERA - 216 K - 1.01 WHIP

Yankees' 1-2 had six more K's. Indians' 1-2 had significantly better ERA and WHIP.

Not clear as hell - at least, not in the direction you thought.

Yes but you put in Betances stats when he failed as a closer. Im talking about actually 1-2 punch. No way in hell I take any other combo.
Your 1st part has some juice to it but I still would take Chapman, just knowing he can over power hitters. Dont get me wrong I like Miller a lot. I miss miller on my team. Its a good argument. Either way all 3 very good closers.

 

[Cedrique]

Last year from May 9th thru July 23rd, he somehow managed to pitch in 31 games and had 21 save opportunity (20 saves and 1 BS). This was a pretty stupid comment by you

It wasn't the first, and it surely won't be the last. I guess what I should have said is that the current Yankees roster doesn't seem good enough (compared to the Red Sox) for Chapman to put them over the top. After all, he did save all those games before July 23rd last year and that didn't help.

 

[bksballer89]

It wasn't the first, and it surely won't be the last. I guess what I should have said is that the current Yankees roster doesn't seem good enough (compared to the Red Sox) for Chapman to put them over the top. After all, he did save all those games before July 23rd last year and that didn't help.

Well as @purguy12 said this was not a move for only 2017 Yankees are expected to be back in the hunt by 2018 or 2019.

 

[Cedrique]

Well as @purguy12 said this was not a move for only 2017 Yankees are expected to be back in the hunt by 2018 or 2019.

Yeah, but putting out 86 million for 5 years of a reliever would be a crazy move for almost any team but the Yankees, who seem to have unlimited resources. But you never know in baseball. Maybe Matt Holliday, Headley and Ellsbury turn back the clock and Sanchez continues his 60 HR pace and they do end up in contention this year.

 

[navamind]

Yeah, but putting out 86 million for 5 years of a reliever would be a crazy move for almost any team but the Yankees, who seem to have unlimited resources. But you never know in baseball. Maybe Matt Holliday, Headley and Ellsbury turn back the clock and Sanchez continues his 60 HR pace and they do end up in contention this year.

it's the Yankees, those things are pretty much inevitable. Never doubt the magic of Yankee pixie dust.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

No doubt those bullpens played a huge role, but a strong bullpen has a lot more value in the postseason than the regular season. And that bullpen alone isn't going to get the Yanks into the postseason.

Fair point. Their starters' ERA was pretty much exactly average (measured by ERA) in 2016. That and a lock down bullpen is all the Royals had.

I'm not saying they're going to make the postseason, but knowing that if you'll likely hold on to any lead from the 6th, it's better than not.

 

[Cedrique]

it's the Yankees, those things are pretty much inevitable. Never doubt the magic of Yankee pixie dust.

That's true, and if they start to make a run I think Rickey Henderson may still have a few good months in him

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Yes but you put in Betances stats when he failed as a closer. Im talking about actually 1-2 punch. No way in hell I take any other combo.

Well, he did pitch those innings, which is why I included them. Anyway, here are the numbers excluding Betances closer stints.

DB/AC - 1.98 ERA - 0.92 WHIP

AM/CA - 1.96 ERA - 0.84 WHIP

Ridiculously even. I can understand if someone picked DB/AC over the Indians, but I wouldn't expect to hear the "no way in hell" stuff from someone who didn't root for the Yankees.

It'll be interesting to see how 2017 unfolds for these four.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Your 1st part has some juice to it but I still would take Chapman, just knowing he can over power hitters. Dont get me wrong I like Miller a lot. I miss miller on my team. Its a good argument.

I just looked at Chapman's and Miller's stats over the last three. This is pretty wild:

AC - 178.1 IP - 1.72 ERA - 312 K - 0.96 WHIP - 4.16 K/BB - 232 ERA+
AM - 198.1 IP - 1.82 ERA - 326 K - 0.78 WHIP - 7.09 K/BB - 232 ERA+

Identical ERA+. You really can't go wrong either way. I guess if I had to choose, I'd go with Miller because he's not Mexican.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

It wasn't the first, and it surely won't be the last. I guess what I should have said is that the current Yankees roster doesn't seem good enough (compared to the Red Sox) for Chapman to put them over the top. After all, he did save all those games before July 23rd last year and that didn't help.

Five more wins could have landed them a wild card.

If the youngsters progress in 2017, they could definitely be in the wild card hunt.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Yeah, but putting out 86 million for 5 years of a reliever would be a crazy move for almost any team but the Yankees, who seem to have unlimited resources.

Here's something mind-boggling:

According to Forbes, the Phillies' revenues are WAY closer to the Rays than they are the Yankees.

NYY - $516MM
PHI - $263MM
TBR - $193MM

The difference between NYY and PHI is nearly four times that between PHI and TBR.

The Yankees are simply playing a different game than the rest of the league from a financial standpoint. Hell, their revenues are nearly 20% more than the 2nd place Dodgers.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

it's the Yankees, those things are pretty much inevitable. Never doubt the magic of Yankee pixie dust.

Too bad that shit never happens for the Red Sox.

<looks at 2013 Red Sox lineup>

Wait. Navamind. . .

 

[Omar 382]

Here's something mind-boggling:

According to Forbes, the Phillies' revenues are WAY closer to the Rays than they are the Yankees.

NYY - $516MM
PHI - $263MM
TBR - $193MM

The difference between NYY and PHI is nearly four times that between PHI and TBR.

The Yankees are simply playing a different game than the rest of the league from a financial standpoint. Hell, their revenues are nearly 20% more than the 2nd place Dodgers.

That's from this year though, right? I'd like to see 2010 data

 

[soxfan1468927]

That's from this year though, right? I'd like to see 2010 data

I can't find the whole list, but from what I can find, the Yankees had a revenue of $441 million in 2010 compared to the Phillies $233 million.

 

[soxfan1468927]

That's from this year though, right? I'd like to see 2010 data

Found it

NYY: $441m
PHI: $233m
TBR: $156m

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

That's from this year though, right? I'd like to see 2010 data

Yes, because that's relevant. . .

The Phillies have been more or less irrelevant over the last thirty years. They had a fantastic five year run that contained five of their six playoff berths since 1983, and you want to use a year from the heart of that period to indicate that the Phillies can play the same financial game as the Yankees?

Even during your special happy time, the Phillies' revenues were closer to the 30th ranked Marlins than they were to the Yankees.

2010
NYY - $441MM
PHI - $233MM
MIA - $144MM

 

[Omar 382]

Yes, because that's relevant. . .

The Phillies have been more or less irrelevant over the last thirty years. They had a fantastic five year run that contained five of their six playoff berths since 1983, and you want to use a year from the heart of that period to indicate that the Phillies can play the same financial game as the Yankees?

Even during your special happy time, the Phillies' revenues were closer to the 30th ranked Marlins than they were to the Yankees.

2010
NYY - $441MM
PHI - $233MM
MIA - $144MM

I wasn't really claiming anything in the above post, just genuinely curious

 

[cerealboi]

5 year deal for a 29 year old that relies on triple digits to get outs?


Another "let's worry about this in a few years" deal from Cashman.