Chaos reigns as the Rangers travel to face the Asterisks in H-Town: 7/23-25

[saddles]

 

[saddles]

I'll reiterate my personal stance on Gallo... if he would accept 5/125, I do that in a heartbeat. I don't think Boras would let him (I think he'd push for at least 7 years), but at that length/AAV I'm OK with Gallo sticking around. Those would be his traditional "prime" years as a hitter, and that's the time all these young guys would be here and what I expect the beginning of our next window. But I don't go past 5 years and I don't go past $27m AAV with him.

And I'll add that I don't expect a king's ransom for him, either, should he be traded. He's a productive bat, but he is not an elite bat. Ohtani and Vlad Jr are examples of elite bats. Like DT said, he's inconsistent. He strikes out a ton, the OPS is good but the average is not great, he's streaky, and the shift absolutely kills him. He's got name recognition but names don't win games, production does. On top of that, the primary focus for teams this deadline is pitching, so the market for Gallo may not be what we assumed it would be.

I don't have any real attachment to Gallo (or Gibson, for that matter). This isn't like Darvish for me, when we traded him. Gallo leaving really wouldn't have much of an impact on me, and if he stays, as long as it's at a decent price then I'm fine with that too.

How much different should we feel about him if the shift, as we know it, is made to be against the rules? Would that push him very much closer to elite?

 

[scotsman1948]

How much different should we feel about him if the shift, as we know it, is made to be against the rules? Would that push him very much closer to elite?

still think there will be no hometown discount and that the AAV will have to be between 30M to 35M

 

[saddles]

There is another deadline coming up very soon. We need to get our top 2 picks signed.

 

[scotsman1948]

There is another deadline coming up very soon. We need to get our top 2 picks signed.

agreed

 

[DT LUNA]

How much different should we feel about him if the shift, as we know it, is made to be against the rules? Would that push him very much closer to elite?

It might but quit striking out 124 times half way through the season might make a difference. I do not think he will ever be an elite hitter but removing the shift would definitely make a difference for everyone.

Joey is a elite right fielder and there is none better but as a hitter he is what we see and truly do not think he will be much more. Having said that, I truly hope I'm wrong.

 

[True Rangers Fan]

How much different should we feel about him if the shift, as we know it, is made to be against the rules? Would that push him very much closer to elite?

Closer, absolutely. I saw a comment recently that said if the shift was banned, Gallo would be on Bonds' level. I think that's ludicrous, but Gallo would have improved stats. Ohtani also strikes out a lot, but here's how he and Gallo compare:

AB: Gallo - 306, Ohtani - 332
H: Gallo - 68, Ohtani - 92
2B: Gallo - 6, Ohtani - 22
3B: Gallo - 1, Ohtani - 4
HR: Gallo - 24, Ohtani - 35
AVG: Gallo - .222, Ohtani - .277
BB: Gallo - 74, Ohtani - 42
OBP: Gallo - .380, Ohtani - .362
OPS: Gallo - .864, Ohtani - 1.042

Ohtani has more HR than Joey has total XBH. That's the difference between an elite hitter and one who isn't.

So if the shift gets banned, you would see Gallo's H total go up, and OPS and OBP go up a little. But the shift isn't taking away XBH from Joey and it's not causing him to strike out. Banning it would just make him a better singles hitter, which shouldn't really be a prime aspect of his value, in my opinion.

 

[scotsman1948]

The Rangers are in prime position to take on money to get a better return. Either by taking back a salary, like is shown in this example, or by helping pay salary for someone we trade away, like the Pirates just did in their trade.

hosmer 2022 thru 2025: $60M not sure it would be worth it

 

[DT LUNA]

hosmer 2022 thru 2025: $60M not sure it would be worth it

Me either. Hard to know when we are so close to seeing what we have coming.

 

[saddles]

hosmer 2022 thru 2025: $60M not sure it would be worth it

With Hosmer in particular we would probably flip him at some point and eat part of that $60 million. Hosmer is more of a problem for the Padres because they are right up against the Luxury Tax threshold. Other teams can afford him, especially if we pitch in just a little.

We might have to hold onto him for the rest of this year at the most.

 

[scotsman1948]

With Hosmer in particular we would probably flip him at some point and eat part of that $60 million. Hosmer is more of a problem for the Padres because they are right up against the Luxury Tax threshold. Other teams can afford him, especially if we pitch in just a little.

We might have to hold onto him for the rest of this year at the most.

3 years of that is player options at 13M a year and I don’t think there would any takers in those years for him

 

[saddles]

Closer, absolutely. I saw a comment recently that said if the shift was banned, Gallo would be on Bonds' level. I think that's ludicrous, but Gallo would have improved stats. Ohtani also strikes out a lot, but here's how he and Gallo compare:

AB: Gallo - 306, Ohtani - 332
H: Gallo - 68, Ohtani - 92
2B: Gallo - 6, Ohtani - 22
3B: Gallo - 1, Ohtani - 4
HR: Gallo - 24, Ohtani - 35
AVG: Gallo - .222, Ohtani - .277
BB: Gallo - 74, Ohtani - 42
OBP: Gallo - .380, Ohtani - .362
OPS: Gallo - .864, Ohtani - 1.042

Ohtani has more HR than Joey has total XBH. That's the difference between an elite hitter and one who isn't.

So if the shift gets banned, you would see Gallo's H total go up, and OPS and OBP go up a little. But the shift isn't taking away XBH from Joey and it's not causing him to strike out. Banning it would just make him a better singles hitter, which shouldn't really be a prime aspect of his value, in my opinion.

Do you think he would get as many as one more hit per week without the shift?

 

[scotsman1948]

How much different should we feel about him if the shift, as we know it, is made to be against the rules? Would that push him very much closer to elite?

Would it change his numbers that much

 

[True Rangers Fan]

Do you think he would get as many as one more hit per week without the shift?

On average, I'd say he would get at least that many. But again, those would be singles. And this takes me back to my point from way earlier this year, which was if Joey is an OBP machine then he needs to be batting 1st or 2nd.

 

[DT LUNA]

Would it change his numbers that much

What will change his numbers is to quit striking out. He is on course to to strike out 250 times by season's end. Beyond acceptable and why we think he is wanted by anyone is strange.

 

[saddles]

3 years of that is player options at 13M a year and I don’t think there would any takers in those years for him

He isn't a bad player at all. He is having an off year, so far. If he has an average year, for him, next season, he probably opts out and gets a better deal. It is just next season that he appears, at present, to be overpaid. And you are overlooking my proposal to pick up part of what is owed him.

If it comes down to it, I would gladly have us throw in a few million dollars to get a much better prospect than we could otherwise. Hosmer is just one example of how that could take place. There is talk that the Padres would never trade Hosmer anyway, because they value his leadership role.

 

[saddles]

On average, I'd say he would get at least that many. But again, those would be singles. And this takes me back to my point from way earlier this year, which was if Joey is an OBP machine then he needs to be batting 1st or 2nd.

So none of those hard hit balls that team are getting to with the shift would find the gap and turn into doubles?

 

[True Rangers Fan]

For the record, there are a dozen players in the top 25 of OBP, OPS, and SLG. And ironically, Ohtani isn't in that group LOL. He's first in SLG and second in OPS, but 34th in OBP. My overall point is that Joey is pretty far from being counted among the elite hitters in MLB, which is why I don't want the Rangers paying him a whole lot. Joey is 14th in OBP, 26th in OPS and 41st in SLG. Those are good numbers, but not great.


Vlad Jr. is 1st in OBP and OPS, and 2nd in SLG for the record. Amazing.

 

[scotsman1948]

Do you think he would get as many as one more hit per week without the shift?

Unless it adds 5 to 7 a week it still would be worth the 30-35M AAV it would cost to sign him. If we had better hitters around him

 

[scotsman1948]

What will change his numbers is to quit striking out. He is on course to to strike out 250 times by season's end. Beyond acceptable and why we think he is wanted by anyone is strange.

Without better hitters around him that number is totally unacceptable. The teams interested in him have a solid core of hitters that his presence would add to.