Carson Palmer is the 4th QB with 100 TD passes for 2 teams

[Rock Strongo]

if it were baseball, he'd be in with those "longevity" stats. why baseball and not the NFL?

 

[Rock Strongo]

Sometimes longevity does that, I don't think it should. I think you should have to be a top player at your position for an extended period of time. Testaverde was not that.

from 95-98 he had 97 TD's to 51 picks

88.2 rating

2 probowls

he had a stretch

 

[soxfan1468927]

if it were baseball, he'd be in with those "longevity" stats. why baseball and not the NFL?

If he had the equivalent stats for baseball, I wouldn't vote for him on that same principle that he wasn't a top player at his position for any period of time. There are members of the baseball HOF who are in due to those milestones who I don't think should be in (Lou Brock). And other members who reached those milestones and would be in if it wasn't for steroids, that I also wouldn't vote for (Sammy Sosa).

Are we going to argue whether he would be in the baseball HOF or whether he should? Because arguing what the writers might do and what I think they should do are completely separate.

 

[soxfan1468927]

from 95-98 he had 97 TD's to 51 picks

88.2 rating

2 probowls

he had a stretch

A 4-year stretch where he was a top 5 QB isn't enough for me because outside that stretch, he had 10 other full seasons where he was mediocre to bad.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Also, there have been about 5000 players who have a season's worth of plate appearances in MLB history. 31 have 3000 hits, so about 0.6%. At the time of Testaverde's retirement, there were 380 players who had attempted a season's worth of attempts. The top 8 is the top 2.1% all time. So 3.5 times more exclusive to be in the 3000 hit club.

 

[Rock Strongo]

A 4-year stretch where he was a top 5 QB isn't enough for me because outside that stretch, he had 10 other full seasons where he was mediocre to bad.

why not?

is that just your standard?

kurt warner had 6 seasons where he was worth a shit

6

he played 16 games TWICE. he averaged 10 games a season. led the league in meaningful shit only his first 3 years as a starter. never did again. 1, 4000 yard season after age 30...in todays nfl. 1, 30 TD season after age 30.

i personally dont think warner belongs. but thats me.

 

[soxfan1468927]

why not?

is that just your standard?

kurt warner had 6 seasons where he was worth a shit

6

he played 16 games TWICE. he averaged 10 games a season. led the league in meaningful shit only his first 3 years as a starter. never did again. 1, 4000 yard season after age 30...in todays nfl. 1, 30 TD season after age 30.

i personally dont think warner belongs. but thats me.

Yeah that's my standard. Isn't that what we are talking about?

 

[Rock Strongo]

Yeah that's my standard. Isn't that what we are talking about?

i just find it funny when i bring up warner

6 good years, averaged 10 games a season, didnt lead in a thing after age 30 (year 3 as a starter)....yet hes in, and vinny is out...yet your standard for "no" on vinny is "only 4 years" when i see "only 6" in warner.

 

[Rex Racer]

Put me down for a NO on the Testaverde HOF vote. His stats are by and large the product of his 21 year career. He compiled some nice numbers, but it took him forever to get them.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Put me down for a NO on the Testaverde HOF vote. His stats are by and large the product of his 21 year career. He compiled some nice numbers, but it took him forever to get them.

thats a lot of quarterbacks.

 

[Rex Racer]

if it were baseball, he'd be in with those "longevity" stats. why baseball and not the NFL?

Baseball's HOF is more watered down than my future ex-wife's mashed potatoes.

 

[Rex Racer]

thats a lot of quarterbacks.

I'd probably vote no on them as well.

 

[sonnyblack65]

Baseball's HOF is more watered down than my future ex-wife's mashed potatoes.

She does make killer sweet potato fries though

 

[soxfan1468927]

i just find it funny when i bring up warner

6 good years, averaged 10 games a season, didnt lead in a thing after age 30 (year 3 as a starter)....yet hes in, and vinny is out...yet your standard for "no" on vinny is "only 4 years" when i see "only 6" in warner.

But I didn't say that Warner should be in.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Baseball's HOF is more watered down than my future ex-wife's mashed potatoes.

It's a mix of watered down and too exclusive to me. Guys like Schilling and Mussina should be in, guys like Lou Brock and Jim Rice should not.

 

[Rex Racer]

She does make killer sweet potato fries though

I'm joking. She wasn't a bad cook, but my kids preferred my cooking to hers. She was never good at getting the timing of the different parts of the meal down.

 

[Rock Strongo]

I'd probably vote no on them as well.

ok...

so lets look at guys who say, play to age 36 or more.

this is your top 20 in passing yards:


1 Peyton Manning 71,940 1998-2015 2TM
2 Brett Favre+ 71,838 1991-2010 4TM
3 Drew Brees 66,978 2001-2017 2TM
4 Tom Brady 62,674 2000-2017 nwe
5 Dan Marino+ 61,361 1983-1999 mia
6 John Elway+ 51,475 1983-1998 den
7 Warren Moon+ 49,325 1984-2000 4TM
8 Eli Manning 49,039 2004-2017 nyg
9 Ben Roethlisberger 47,555 2004-2017 pit
10 Fran Tarkenton+ 47,003 1961-1978 2TM
11 Philip Rivers 46,593 2004-2017 sdg
12 Vinny Testaverde 46,233 1987-2007 7TM
13 Carson Palmer 45,194 2004-2017 3TM
14 Drew Bledsoe 44,611 1993-2006 3TM
15 Dan Fouts+ 43,040 1973-1987 sdg
16 Kerry Collins 40,922 1995-2011 6TM
17 Joe Montana+ 40,551 1979-1994 2TM
18 Johnny Unitas+ 40,239 1956-1973 2TM
19 Matt Ryan 38,568 2008-2017 atl

on that list...14 played to age 36 or more.

doesnt that make them all compilers, especially since mosrt of these guys were full time starters late in their careers vs vinny?

 

[Rex Racer]

i just find it funny when i bring up warner

6 good years, averaged 10 games a season, didnt lead in a thing after age 30 (year 3 as a starter)....yet hes in, and vinny is out...yet your standard for "no" on vinny is "only 4 years" when i see "only 6" in warner.

I'm on the fence with Warner and the thing that as my leaning over to the yes side is that when he was healthy and had some weapons, he was really freaking good. He has the "Shooting Star" thing going on and taking 2 historically shitty teams to the SB (3 trips, 1 win) hasn't been done by too many guys.

 

[Rock Strongo]

I'm on the fence with Warner and the thing that as my leaning over to the yes side is that when he was healthy and had some weapons, he was really freaking good. He has the "Shooting Star" thing going on and taking 2 historically shitty teams to the SB (3 trips, 1 win) hasn't been done by too many guys.

this

fair

 

[Rex Racer]

ok...

so lets look at guys who say, play to age 36 or more.

this is your top 20 in passing yards:


1 Peyton Manning 71,940 1998-2015 2TM
2 Brett Favre+ 71,838 1991-2010 4TM
3 Drew Brees 66,978 2001-2017 2TM
4 Tom Brady 62,674 2000-2017 nwe
5 Dan Marino+ 61,361 1983-1999 mia
6 John Elway+ 51,475 1983-1998 den
7 Warren Moon+ 49,325 1984-2000 4TM
8 Eli Manning 49,039 2004-2017 nyg
9 Ben Roethlisberger 47,555 2004-2017 pit
10 Fran Tarkenton+ 47,003 1961-1978 2TM
11 Philip Rivers 46,593 2004-2017 sdg
12 Vinny Testaverde 46,233 1987-2007 7TM
13 Carson Palmer 45,194 2004-2017 3TM
14 Drew Bledsoe 44,611 1993-2006 3TM
15 Dan Fouts+ 43,040 1973-1987 sdg
16 Kerry Collins 40,922 1995-2011 6TM
17 Joe Montana+ 40,551 1979-1994 2TM
18 Johnny Unitas+ 40,239 1956-1973 2TM
19 Matt Ryan 38,568 2008-2017 atl

on that list...14 played to age 36 or more.

doesnt that make them all compilers, especially since mosrt of these guys were full time starters late in their careers vs vinny?

Testaverde, Palmer and Collins wouldn't get my vote. Rivers and Bledsoe likely get a yes, but both could have helped their cause by winning a SB.

Everyone else on that list is an easy yes except for the guy at #17. Who is Joe Montana? I've heard of Joe Cool, Joe Dirt and Joe Momma, but not him