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[ehb5]

So we still sticking with the Kirk aint that good, it was the talent around him mantra?? Really?

Wut.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Not to offend any one with special needs, or family members that have special needs here... (obligatory PC disclaimer there)


We are the Redskins... we put the SPECIAL in Special teams.

To be fair with a few exceptions (e.g. Cowboys PR for TD) the coverage teams for the Redskins this season have done very well, and their punting & kicking has been really good (still scratching my head over switch at PK).

They certainly need to find a new PR - Crowder needs to stick to offense. I get nervous every time that he fields a punt & even when he doesn't fumble he rarely has had a decent return this season.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Are they? Garçon is a solid WR and far from great IMO. He is my kind of player though. Give me hard nosed guys like Hines Ward and I am happy.

DeSean is not great either. He is doing nothing with Winston throwing and Evans on the other side.

Our OL is good as pass protection when healthy. I question if they are a complete line.

Again, we were doing well at the beginning of the season. It is hard to judge since.

I still believe that when healthy this OL does well w/ the run. Several of them pull as well as anyone in the NFL. Now perhaps they need a tweak or two but nothing major IMO (assuming health). Oh yeah - the team also needs to find a more complete back in the upcoming draft, and several should be available to them.

 

[gkekoa]

I mean I think we can both agree they're very good receivers coupled with an elite tight end, very good slot receiver, and great OL. That's pretty good right there.

Both are good. Neither are top ten.

Reed isn’t elitE. Gruden said it best...the number one attribute of a player is availability.

I think we have a good OL.

 

[gkekoa]

I still believe that when healthy this OL does well w/ the run. Several of them pull as well as anyone in the NFL. Now perhaps they need a tweak or two but nothing major IMO (assuming health). Oh yeah - the team also needs to find a more complete back in the upcoming draft, and several should be available to them.

Why do you believe the line can run block well? I would say there is no proof of that.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

No idea. Don't really care to come up with a definition. Don't think it matters.

Maybe a guy good enough to win a SB.

Fair enough. In the end none of us will be the ones deciding whether Cousins stays or leaves. I just hope that the clowns who run this team either extend him or if not make the decision early in the offseason, be very clear about it & try somehow to select someone who fits the NFL style of play (I know Shark - you will refute this - no need - we know).

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Why do you believe the line can run block well? I would say there is no proof of that.

Example - the Rams game - w/ a relatively healthy OL & some backs still healthy they did well. We have also seen this at times with Perine. Guys like Williams, Scherff & even Long run block pretty well. Like I said may need a tweak or two @ OL & certainly they need a true starting, full time RB (Perine can help but don't think he is that guy).

 

[gkekoa]

Example - the Rams game - w/ a relatively healthy OL & some backs still healthy they did well. We have also seen this at times with Perine. Guys like Williams, Scherff & even Long run block pretty well. Like I said may need a tweak or two @ OL & certainly they need a true starting, full time RB (Perine can help but don't think he is that guy).

Being able to run block is about consistency as well. A game or two is not good run blocking.

Rams give up 120 yards rushing per game at 4.7 YPC. We had a great rushing game with 229 total, severely aided by the outlier 61 yard rush by CT.

NO gives up 4.5 YPC totaling 115 per game. We had a good rushing game totaling 156yards; however, that was likely due to a pick your poison option by the Saints. We lost the game because we could not run when we needed it to kill the clock going 6 yards, 3yards, -1 yard leading to a punt and ultimately a loss.

NYG give up 4.3 YPC totaling 128 each game. We ran for 122yards in the game which is actually below average.


Only 4 teams have a worse YPC than we do. We also rank 20th in adjusted line yards.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Being able to run block is about consistency as well. A game or two is not good run blocking.

Rams give up 120 yards rushing per game at 4.7 YPC. We had a great rushing game with 229 total, severely aided by the outlier 61 yard rush by CT.

NO gives up 4.5 YPC totaling 115 per game. We had a good rushing game totaling 156yards; however, that was likely due to a pick your poison option by the Saints. We lost the game because we could not run when we needed it to kill the clock going 6 yards, 3yards, -1 yard leading to a punt and ultimately a loss.

NYG give up 4.3 YPC totaling 128 each game. We ran for 122yards in the game which is actually below average.


Only 4 teams have a worse YPC than we do. We also rank 20th in adjusted line yards.

I understand your pt, but it is kind of hard to be consistent when you are missing your best blockers & you pretty much don't have the same starting lineup from week to week. Also - very hard to be consistent when you are down to your 3rd & 4th string RB.

I am just stating that I truly believe that they have several very good run blocking O lineman. Sure they need to perhaps replace & develop a few more (w/ one of the best OL coaches in the NFL). I see no reason that this cannot happen with some decent health & the acquisition of a quality full time RB in the draft.

BTW - you can't just state that a given rushing total doesn't mean as much due to one big run (e.g. 61 yd run by Thompson). Almost all big rushing games include at least one very long run. Skins ran very well that day against Rams & sure the Rams defense helped, but I truly believe that it goes beyond that. We really can't tell this season due to the ridiculous amt of injuries.

 

[Stymietee]

So lets cut to the chase.. whats your definition of a franchise QB??

Let me take a shot at this one. A "franchise QB" is one who has been deemed good enough to start consistently for an NFL franchise. If there is a better definition, I would love to hear it!!

 

[Sharkinva]

Let me take a shot at this one. A "franchise QB" is one who has been deemed good enough to start consistently for an NFL franchise.

Thanks for not ducking the question Sty.

So now, lets assume Kirk fits into this group.

Does it not make sense to do what ever (reasonably) to keep such a player if you have him in the building already??

 

[Stymietee]

Thanks for not ducking the question Sty.

So now, lets assume Kirk fits into this group.

Does it not make sense to do what ever (reasonably) to keep such a player if you have him in the building already??

Depends...on whether or not it is both economically and reasonably proper for both parties to come to that conclusion. I personally believe that both Bruce and Dan want Kirk to stay but at their price. I don't believe that Kirk really wants to go, but business being what it is, makes it an easy decision for him to move on.

What we as fan/followers/supporters of the sport sometimes fail to recognize is there is a business side of this game. In it there are players who see how fleeting their window of opportunity is, while the business owners see them as product. Replaceable product.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Depends...on whether or not it is both economically and reasonably proper for both parties to come to that conclusion. I personally believe that both Bruce and Dan want Kirk to stay but at their price. I don't believe that Kirk really wants to go, but business being what it is, makes it an easy decision for him to move on.

What we as fan/followers/supporters of the sport sometimes fail to recognize is there is a business side of this game. In it there are players who see how fleeting their window of opportunity is, while the business owners see them as product. Replaceable product.

List of Washington Redskins starting quarterbacks

Yep - I get it. However - take a look at the list of QBs that proceeded Cousins - in particular during the Snyder era. Since 2001 show me any of those QBs worth a crap (for more than a handful of games) beyond the 2012 season for RG3 & the last several seasons for Cousins.

What in the hell makes anyone believe that Snyder and his lackeys will find a good replacement for Cousins? I have zero faith in that process (could be pleasantly surprised but confidence factor is nil). I am sure that Snyder & Allen feel otherwise & therein lies the problem. Sigh.

 

[Stymietee]

List of Washington Redskins starting quarterbacks

Yep - I get it. However - take a look at the list of QBs that proceeded Cousins - in particular during the Snyder era. Since 2001 show me any of those QBs worth a crap (for more than a handful of games) beyond the 2012 season for RG3 & the last several seasons for Cousins.

What in the hell makes anyone believe that Snyder and his lackeys will find a good replacement for Cousins? I have zero faith in that process (could be pleasantly surprised but confidence factor is nil). I am sure that Snyder & Allen feel otherwise & therein lies the problem. Sigh.

No argument, good points! I know that folks want to turn this into a Kirk Cousins thing, but it really is all about Dan, Bruce and how they want to run this organization. (Organization being a misnomer regarding those two)

 

[gkekoa]

I understand your pt, but it is kind of hard to be consistent when you are missing your best blockers & you pretty much don't have the same starting lineup from week to week. Also - very hard to be consistent when you are down to your 3rd & 4th string RB.

I am just stating that I truly believe that they have several very good run blocking O lineman. Sure they need to perhaps replace & develop a few more (w/ one of the best OL coaches in the NFL). I see no reason that this cannot happen with some decent health & the acquisition of a quality full time RB in the draft.

BTW - you can't just state that a given rushing total doesn't mean as much due to one big run (e.g. 61 yd run by Thompson). Almost all big rushing games include at least one very long run. Skins ran very well that day against Rams & sure the Rams defense helped, but I truly believe that it goes beyond that. We really can't tell this season due to the ridiculous amt of injuries.

In most statistical analysis, outliers are thrown out. I agree the Skins ran well that game but the Rams also got better defensively as the season went on.

We were very healthy last season along the line and couldn’t run block.

As for RB, technically we were on our 3rd string RB; however, I believe third was better than second, and CT was first but would not be able to withstand the beating.

 

[skinsdad62]

Anthony Lanier- This was the best game of Anthony Lanier’s career.

He started and led the team in defensive linemen snaps for the first time in his career. His 54 snaps in the game represented a new personal record, as well.

Lanier didn’t just play more, he dominated when he was out there. He led the game and posted new career bests in both sacks (2) and passes defended (3). He also forced a fumble for the first time as a pro. That fumble led to a Redskins touchdown two plays later, which was the fifth play from scrimmage in the game.

Lanier is only the second Redskin with 2.0 or more sacks in a game this season (Ryan Kerrigan has done it twice).

He is just the fourth player in team history with 2 or more sacks and multiple PDs in a game; the other three were: LaVar Arrington (2002), Cornelius Griffin (2004) and Brian Orakpo (2013). Lanier is the only one in that group who has defended 3 or more passes while also recording multiple sacks.

The second-year player out of Alabama A&M became the first Washington DL to register 3 PDs since Jason Taylor did it in 2008.

Every one of those pass defenses were crucial, too. The first one prevented what would have been an easy touchdown catch for D.J. Foster. His next PD came on third down and forced a Cardinals’ three-and-out. His last batted pass occurred on Arizona’s final offensive series; the Cardinals did not pick up any first downs after that play

Lanier ranks 5th in the league in sacks since Week 11 (5 sacks). Only Aaron Donald, Khalil Mack, Robert Quinn and Terrell Suggs are ahead of him in that span.

Anthony Lanier is absolutely on fire! He was the Redskins’ best player in this game

this kid has 5 sacks on the year . he looks like a nice developing piece

 

[skinsdad62]

Matt Ioannidis- Ioannidis tied Lanier for the lead in snaps among the team’s defensive linemen. This was the seventh time this year he has led the DL corps in snaps.

Matty I was quiet in the tackle department, with just 2 takedowns (1 solo) on the day. His 6 pressures, however, were tied for the most on the team. One of those pressures was a QB hit which resulted in an incompletion.

Only Ryan Kerrigan has generated more pressures than Ioannidis has this season. Don’t forget that Ioannidis missed two games and played with a cast on his hand in three contests.

the other promising youngster

 

[skinsdad62]

Preston Smith- Welcome to the annual Preston Smith blowup game. The third-year edge rusher had a career day and was all over the field against the Cardinals.

He recovered a fumble on the third play from scrimmage (2nd career FR), intercepted Blaine Gabbert inside of Washington’s red zone to end Arizona’s longest drive of the game (2nd career INT), earned a sack by pushing Gabbert out of bounds for a loss of 5 yards and led the team with a season-high 4 hits and 6 total pressures. One of those hits could have easily been ruled a sack and a forced fumble, but the refs thought otherwise.

Smith is the first Redskin to record a sack, a fumble recovery and an interception in the same game since Monte Coleman accomplished this same feat just over 25 years ago (1993) against the Falcons.

That’s not all Preston Smith did on Sunday. He made a solo tackle on a Cardinals run that went for no gain and recorded 30 total return yards. Samaje Perine, Jamison Crowder and Kapri Bibbs were the only Redskins who gained more than 30 yards from scrimmage.

Smith’s 84.6 PFF grade ranked second on the team. Only our next player earned a higher mark

cock tease

 

[skinsdad62]

Junior Galette- Galette was on the field for 35 defensive snaps, which ties the season high that he set last week in L.A.

The veteran’s late season surge continued, as he batted down a pass intended for Larry Fitzgerald and recorded his third sack of the year; unfortunately, the sack was his only pressure of the game.

Junior Galette had the highest PFF grade on the team for the second consecutive week (85.2)

coming on hard , could be better next year

 

[skinsdad62]

Ryan Anderson- The second rounder suffered a knee sprain on the first play of the fourth quarter and played on just 12 snaps.

He recorded 3 solo tackles, but did not generate any pressure on Gabbert.

Anderson has recorded more tackles on his last 36 snaps (8 tackles) than he did in his first 159 snaps (7 tackles

looked like he was getting the hang of it now a knee sprain