Can someone explain the rationale for this

[NolePride]

I'll actually answer the OP's original question.

One year the NCAA refused to count a win vs a 1-AA toward being
bowl eligible. It was the 1-AA's that revolted. They need that
guarantee money. The NCAA compromised and said they will
not count two wins vs 1-AA teams.

Your next question should be...Why did the NCAA Compromise?
That answer is simple. FCS schools are Div 1 in all sports. So when
Div 1 votes on a rule change or procedure all Div 1 schools vote.
There are a great deal more smaller schools than Power 5 schools.

The smaller schools control the vote.

That was further stated when the NCAA expanded the NCAA Basketball field from 65 teams to the current 68. The NCAA
committee announced 4 "play-in games" played between the
Champions of 8 lesser leagues. The smaller schools revolted
and wanted it changed to the play-in games being played by
8 at-large teams. They had the votes to force 8 at-large teams
to play-in, so they compromised again. Now the play-in games
are 2 games with the Champs of 4 lesser leagues, facing each other for a 16th seed...and 4 at-large teams who usually are
playing for an 11th or 12th seed.

What's the alternative? Dropping out of the NCAA? I do not
believe that every Power 5 school would vote for that, let alone
all of them. Then how do you fill Basketball schedules and baseball
schedules, let alone golf and tennis and cross country. You drop
out of the NCAA and form your own association the NCAA won't
allow its members to schedule you.

Thus goodbye to midweek baseball games vs Central Mich, Eastern
Mich, Oakland, whatever and be prepared to fly your team to Boston College or UCLA for a mid week baseball game.

That will eat up the profits real quick...won't it.

The Power 5 schools are not going to drop out of the NCAA and
to get what they want they have to pay the other schools to vote
their way. That's how they got the vote to allow the AFCA to
be the sponsor behind the football playoff set-up, which is not
an NCAA sponsored event. It's just sanctioned by the NCAA.

There's the rationale. Those are the facts. If you do not like
them, give me a call and I will forward a form letter announcing
Michigan's intention to withdraw from the NCAA.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

I'll actually answer the OP's original question.

One year the NCAA refused to count a win vs a 1-AA toward being
bowl eligible. It was the 1-AA's that revolted. They need that
guarantee money. The NCAA compromised and said they will
not count two wins vs 1-AA teams.

Your next question should be...Why did the NCAA Compromise?
That answer is simple. FCS schools are Div 1 in all sports. So when
Div 1 votes on a rule change or procedure all Div 1 schools vote.
There are a great deal more smaller schools than Power 5 schools.

The smaller schools control the vote.

That was further stated when the NCAA expanded the NCAA Basketball field from 65 teams to the current 68. The NCAA
committee announced 4 "play-in games" played between the
Champions of 8 lesser leagues. The smaller schools revolted
and wanted it changed to the play-in games being played by
8 at-large teams. They had the votes to force 8 at-large teams
to play-in, so they compromised again. Now the play-in games
are 2 games with the Champs of 4 lesser leagues, facing each other for a 16th seed...and 4 at-large teams who usually are
playing for an 11th or 12th seed.

What's the alternative? Dropping out of the NCAA? I do not
believe that every Power 5 school would vote for that, let alone
all of them. Then how do you fill Basketball schedules and baseball
schedules, let alone golf and tennis and cross country. You drop
out of the NCAA and form your own association the NCAA won't
allow its members to schedule you.

Thus goodbye to midweek baseball games vs Central Mich, Eastern
Mich, Oakland, whatever and be prepared to fly your team to Boston College or UCLA for a mid week baseball game.

That will eat up the profits real quick...won't it.

The Power 5 schools are not going to drop out of the NCAA and
to get what they want they have to pay the other schools to vote
their way. That's how they got the vote to allow the AFCA to
be the sponsor behind the football playoff set-up, which is not
an NCAA sponsored event. It's just sanctioned by the NCAA.

There's the rationale. Those are the facts. If you do not like
them, give me a call and I will forward a form letter announcing
Michigan's intention to withdraw from the NCAA.

Simple answer; create a new division for the P5 schools.

 

[Deep Creek]

Simple answer; create a new division for the P5 schools.

The G5s need to form their division and playoffs IMHO.

 

[NolePride]

Simple answer; create a new division for the P5 schools.

Possible, but then teams would only be allowed 1 ooc game vs a
mid-major and 1 vs a 1-AA. The SEC and ACC teams would have to
play 2 OOC games vs Power 5 teams. That's ok, but where are those
teams going to come from? There's only 64 league teams in P5,
and ND. you'll need 56 OOC games to fill out schedules in the ACC
and ACC. You'll need another 36 games to fill out schedules for the
other 3 leagues. You can add in 10 games vs Notre Dame.

This season we have a total of 38 games involving teams vs other
P5 teams from other leagues and ND, and ND is playing in 9 of
those games. Those P5 leagues will lose bowl slots if all their
teams have to play other P5 schools. 63 games will have to be
added. That's a lot of games to add.

 

[Wild Turkey]

WE will be relevant again when we start beating Michigan State, Penn State and ohio state, not Alabama State.

How about a top 5 Washington win?

 

[Voltaire26]

How about a top 5 Washington win?

The Washington win was great and for Washington the Auburn loss was respectful ... week two had a lot of the other kind of bullshit games ... just my humble opinion ... I hated when Michigan played Appalachian State (A Division II team at the time) and lost. You can't win those kind of games ... A Western Kentucky, Ball State, Central Michigan, etc... are all acceptable Division I teams.

 

[Olyduck]

7. Auburn vs. Alabama State
9. Washington vs. North Dakota
11. LSU vs. Southeastern Louisiana
12 Virginia Tech vs. William & Mary
14. West Virginia vs. Youngstown State
22. Miami vs. Savannah State
23. Oregon vs. Portland State

28% of the top 25 played bullshit game ... these teams are not even in the same division as them. WTF high school teams next year

Remember that time when top 5 Michigan played a lower division team Appalachian State and lost? yeah good times

 

[Wild Turkey]

The Washington win was great and for Washington the Auburn loss was respectful ... week two had a lot of the other kind of bullshit games ... just my humble opinion ... I hated when Michigan played Appalachian State (A Division II team at the time) and lost. You can't win those kind of games ... A Western Kentucky, Ball State, Central Michigan, etc... are all acceptable Division I teams.

Auburn's game was all about Alabama politics and a big pay day for an Alabama black college. The president hosted Alabama State alumni who are ASU alumni and made a big deal out of the game for them. It's all about getting increased funding from the state.

 

[8085sooner]

This is going to keep happening and will only get worse. Good or decent, G5 teams, want a home and away, or 2+ Million for an away game. We will still see, most of the Big Boys play one marquee, out of conference games. But, UCF, FAU, Houston, BYU and any of the current mid majors. Are not worth a home and away or the 2+ million, one off.


Hell UCF who couldn't buy a win just 5 years ago, now only wants a series. If OU were to schedule, FAU for say 2022, they now want 2.3 million for an away game. So, a penciled win for a powerhouse, either pay big bucks or go FCS, for 500k.

 

[Voltaire26]

Remember that time when top 5 Michigan played a lower division team Appalachian State and lost? yeah good times

I may have referenced that a few times in this thread.

 

[WABLTY]

Did they at least learn their lesson about scheduling NDSU?

Oregon's got a game against NDSU in 2020. Other than that it looks like everyone's keeping away.

 

[TheDayMan]

The Washington win was great and for Washington the Auburn loss was respectful ... week two had a lot of the other kind of bullshit games ... just my humble opinion ... I hated when Michigan played Appalachian State (A Division II team at the time) and lost. You can't win those kind of games ... A Western Kentucky, Ball State, Central Michigan, etc... are all acceptable Division I teams.

They were division 1AA at the time... a big difference between 1AA, or FCS, and division II.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

Possible, but then teams would only be allowed 1 ooc game vs a
mid-major and 1 vs a 1-AA. The SEC and ACC teams would have to
play 2 OOC games vs Power 5 teams. That's ok, but where are those
teams going to come from? There's only 64 league teams in P5,
and ND. you'll need 56 OOC games to fill out schedules in the ACC
and ACC. You'll need another 36 games to fill out schedules for the
other 3 leagues. You can add in 10 games vs Notre Dame.

This season we have a total of 38 games involving teams vs other
P5 teams from other leagues and ND, and ND is playing in 9 of
those games. Those P5 leagues will lose bowl slots if all their
teams have to play other P5 schools. 63 games will have to be
added. That's a lot of games to add.

Why would they only be allowed 1 game vs a midmajor? And the allowable # of games vs 1-AA should be 0.

 

[ericd7633]

We haven't played an FCS team since 1955(Penn) and I don't think they were considered that back then.

 

[Chewbaccer]

LOL @ tardos in this thread that thinks North Dakota and North Dakota State are the same thing.

 

[jon2tanman]

What's even worse is when a team gets an ooc cupcake early and late in the season.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

7. Auburn vs. Alabama State
9. Washington vs. North Dakota
11. LSU vs. Southeastern Louisiana
12 Virginia Tech vs. William & Mary
14. West Virginia vs. Youngstown State
22. Miami vs. Savannah State
23. Oregon vs. Portland State

28% of the top 25 played bullshit game ... these teams are not even in the same division as them. WTF high school teams next year

I hate the fact Washington plays FCS teams. That crap started when they hired Sarkisian as HC. With that said, Washington does play 11 regular season P5 opponents this year.

 

[NolePride]

Why would they only be allowed 1 game vs a midmajor? And the allowable # of games vs 1-AA should be 0.

Playing down in Divisions. With a 3rd division, they would
maintain their present rules allowing a game vs a mid-major
Div 1 team and then allowing one game vs a Div 1 FCS team.

You'd have 3 Divisions of Div 1. FBS P5, FBS Mid-Major and FCS.
They are all Div 1 in all sports.

If you are looking to rid schedules of weak opponents...you'd
certainly want to limit teams like UNCC and Old Dominion from
the schedule. There are probably 20 teams in FBS that are not
the caliber of all the teams in the MVC (FCS).

The only other way would be to allow the NCAA to make your schedules.

 

[Deep Creek]

There are probably 20 teams in FBS that are not
the caliber of all the teams in the MVC (FCS).

Right now, my guys wouldn't win a game in the FCS.

 

[NolePride]

Right now, my guys wouldn't win a game in the FCS.

Yeah they would. You'd just have to find the right one's. Most of those New England FCS schools are an easy touch.