Browns being Browns

[dtgold88]

He is a kid with superstar fame.
In a way it isnt his fault. The team hasnt made him accountable. His last coach was just an enabler.

I get what you are saying....but I'd still say it's his fault. The enabling sure didn't help though.

 

[Shatranj]

McCarthy would be an excellent choice for Cleveland.

An a lifeline for Mayfield.

 

[dtgold88]

yep, probably the only thing that is going to save him at this point is for someone to tear him down and rebuild him. His attitude is going to stunt his growth potential for sure.

Guy played pretty well as a rookie in case we all forgot. Possible a smart coach with a scheme that fits his skills will help.

 

[dtgold88]

If so that's ass backwards and Browns being Browns.

working in KC and Seattle. Probably SF. NE, too.

 

[dtgold88]

Not gonna happen with haslam. He can't tie his own shoes by himself

Kind of happened last time as most liked the Dorsey hire and Haslem let him do his job.

Trouble was Dorsey cared more about avoiding another situation like KC and chose a coach he could control.

But I get it...without sustained success tough to believe Haslem will get it right.

 

[dtgold88]

First part is why Dorsey and Freddie aren't here. when you have brilliant people feeding you info maybe use it?

 

[SteelersPride]

Kind of happened last time as most liked the Dorsey hire and Haslem let him do his job.

Trouble was Dorsey cared more about avoiding another situation like KC and chose a coach he could control.

But I get it...without sustained success tough to believe Haslem will get it right.

There's just no evidence he will. And reports galore on how he seeks everyone's input. No one knows whose really in charge.

 

[CaptainStubing]

Guy played pretty well as a rookie in case we all forgot. Possible a smart coach with a scheme that fits his skills will help.

He had a good stretch his rookie season when people didn't have a lot of tape. He needs to evolve and I believe his attitude currently may hold him back from doing that

 

[dtgold88]

There's just no evidence he will. And reports galore on how he seeks everyone's input. No one knows whose really in charge.

Last part an issue, as well......unless he finally listens to the right person. Hopefully since he put him in charge he actually listens to Dipodesta when he recommends a coach.

 

[dtgold88]

He had a good stretch his rookie season when people didn't have a lot of tape. He needs to evolve and I believe his attitude currently may hold him back from doing that

You really think it was because of lack of tape and not that he had a better playbook with far better coaches around him?

 

[Ricky Roma]

It certainly has worked out for SF.....and I bet the OP wished it was as good as that at the present time for his team.

 

[jarntt]

Browns to hire HC first then let HC have input on who the GM will be.

Let the worker hire the manager.



Browns to hire HC first, then GM, all with NFL exp. - NFL.com

I don't see a problem. It does not appear the coach will be the one making the decision on the GM, just that he will have input which is not a bad idea if they are going to be working together and both high level employees. Both will report to the owner so no worker hiring the manager. Will all of the different levels of structure in NFL teams front offices and specialists nowadays and involved owners I don't see a problem. The GM doesn't have to be the Coach's boss and it probably works better if you find yourself with an involved owner and/or a GM without previous coaching experience to have them work as partners that independently report to the owner. Now watch them go hire another baseball guy...

 

[SteelersPride]

Last part an issue, as well......unless he finally listens to the right person. Hopefully since he put him in charge he actually listens to Dipodesta when he recommends a coach.

him and six others

 

[SteelersPride]

Guy played pretty well as a rookie in case we all forgot. Possible a smart coach with a scheme that fits his skills will help.

so did VY and tim tebow..

 

[Jikkle]

It can work fine but you still need the right guy at HC who does have a good grasp of identifying and selecting talent.

In places like SF and Seattle it works because the HC and GM are in sync philosophically and vision for the team. In those situations there is some give and take with the HC and GM when it comes to the roster and neither said is stamping it's feet unwilling to budge when they disagree on something.

Why else it works is both Shanahan and Carroll have their systems and they're good at identifying players that will succeed in their system. So the input they give their GM and scouts in what they want is actually useful and beneficial in the evaluation process.

Where I think SF and Seattle differ is Shanahan and Lynch have a Yin and Yang relationship where Shanahan's input has the weight when it comes to offense and Lynch has the weight when it comes to defense whereas I think Carroll and Schneider's strength lies with defense and less on offense.

 

[dtgold88]

so did VY and tim tebow..

ok

 

[Manster7588]

working in KC and Seattle. Probably SF. NE, too.

I was wrong on the Seattle hiring dates of Carroll and Schneider, however the other 3 are not the same blueprint the Browns are doing. Lynch was hired before Shanahan in SF. Reid was in place YEARS before their GM was hired, and Belichick is the Coach/GM so he never interviewed his incoming boss.

 

[dtgold88]

I was wrong on the Seattle hiring dates of Carroll and Schneider, however the other 3 are not the same blueprint the Browns are doing. Lynch was hired before Shanahan in SF. Reid was in place YEARS before their GM was hired, and Belichick is the Coach/GM so he never interviewed his incoming boss.

Post #13 shows Shanahan approved the Lynch hiring. And, yes, Reid was in place well before which means he approved of Veach being the GM.

Not really debatable.

 

[Manster7588]

You really think it was because of lack of tape and not that he had a better playbook with far better coaches around him?

I do. When Dak had his great rookie season I said the defenses will adjust and make it harder for him in year 2, and we'd have to wait until year 3 to see if he can readjust to the adjustments. Same goes for Mayfield, he had his way as a rook, teams adjusted, now we need to see if he can adjust to those adjustments.

Year 3 is key for most QBs.

 

[dtgold88]

I do. When Dak had his great rookie season I said the defenses will adjust and make it harder for him in year 2, and we'd have to wait until year 3 to see if he can readjust to the adjustments. Same goes for Mayfield, he had his way as a rook, teams adjusted, now we need to see if he can adjust to those adjustments.

Year 3 is key for most QBs.

Agree year 3 is the key. But every coach who helped him in 2018 other than Freddie was let go. Used Haley playbook in 2018 and Freddie's in 2019.

Guessing Dak used the same playbook first 2 seasons? Absurd to even try and compare.

I do agree with the person to whom I replied....his attitude will matter, as well.