Best hoops conference of this season

[jonvi]

Preseason tourneys are cool and all, but teams change over a course of the regular season. I don't place as much weight on that as most want to.

Then there's always a team or two in the E8 that the W/L's just didn't tell the story....leading right up to the FF. Then the conference nut swingers come out in force. Especially the SEC & B12 hacks.

Paul Harvey Time....

Look no further west than a bus ride from the Atlantic Ocean. Beyond that it's only two blue teams then a bunch of .... what.?. East Coast ball is brutal from the minute the boi's get out of diapers. There's no pretty horses. No oil wells or snow capped mountains. Just asphalt and chained nets.

You guys can give this shit up.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Translation: "I hate the SEC and you should too!"

Clearly the SEC is right there. Solid from top-to-bottom.

I didn't even know that the SEC still played basketball. I thought UK went to independents....and the Ohio St team made up of freshman and sophomores even beat them

 

[Shanemansj13]

1. Big 12
2. ACC
3. Big East
4. Pac 12
5. B1G
6. SEC
7. A 10
8. American

Overall. The PAC 12 has no elite teams and about 6 that will make the tourney. The Big East has 2 very good teams and the rest of the conference is aveage. The B1G has 6 or 7 very good to good teams. 9 or 10 tourney teams and 3 elite teams. As far as elite teams the ACC, Big 12 and B1G all have 3 teams.

1. Big 12
2. ACC
3. Big 10
4. Big East
5. Pac 12

The rest don't matter.

 

[H2S]

Preseason tourneys are cool and all, but teams change over a course of the regular season. I don't place as much weight on that as most want to.

Then there's always a team or two in the E8 that the W/L's just didn't tell the story....leading right up to the FF. Then the conference nut swingers come out in force. Especially the SEC & B12 hacks.

Paul Harvey Time....

Look no further west than a bus ride from the Atlantic Ocean. Beyond that it's only two blue teams then a bunch of .... what.?. East Coast ball is brutal from the minute the boi's get out of diapers. There's no pretty horses. No oil wells or snow capped mountains. Just asphalt and chained nets.

You guys can give this shit up.

poetry, man.
you bad!

 

[jonvi]

poetry, man.
you bad!

That shit's rockin' mang.

 

[rmilia1]

The SEC is 22-48 against the other P5 conferences and A-10.

The SEC is 6th in conference RPI. One Florida win over WVU doesn't indicate anything.

And also the SEC doesn't do very well in the tournament, it's basically UF and UK. The SEC is averaging LESS than 4 bids a year since they went with 14 teams and one of those teams wouldn't have made it, if not for winning the conference tournament(Ole Miss 2013, which was basically a mid major level of conference that year, see below)

Also the reason why people trash on the SEC:

2016 conference RPI: 6th
2015 conference RPI: 5th
2014 conference RPI: 7th
2013 conference RPI: 8th
2012 conference RPI: 3rd
2011 conference RPI: 6th

One good year going back the last 5 years, including this one, and in a couple of those years finished behind mid major conferences.

Yeah other than UK and UF the SEC has been pretty terrible. I think they only have 1 other team that has made a FF since the turn of the century. Compare that to a league like the B10 where 7 of the 14 teams in the league have made a FF since 2000.

 

[ericd7633]

Overall. The PAC 12 has no elite teams and about 6 that will make the tourney. The Big East has 2 very good teams and the rest of the conference is aveage. The B1G has 6 or 7 very good to good teams. 9 or 10 tourney teams and 3 elite teams. As far as elite teams the ACC, Big 12 and B1G all have 3 teams.

1. Big 12
2. ACC
3. Big 10
4. Big East
5. Pac 12

The rest don't matter.

That's not even remotely close. Michigan and Wisconsin aren't "very good" teams. And the league is getting 7 teams max(Wisconsin & Michigan on the bubble) If Ohio State does get in, it will be because they have won 2/3 of their remaining teams against Iowa/MSU, which would bring into question just how elite those teams are. And MD losing to Wisconsin and Minnesota last week, really brings that into question.

There's absolutely no way the Pac 12 is 5th. Doesn't even make any sense, given the depth of the league.

Honestly the B1G is closer to being the 6th best conference then they are the 4th.

 

[rmilia1]

That's not even remotely close. Michigan and Wisconsin aren't "very good" teams. And the league is getting 7 teams max(Wisconsin & Michigan on the bubble) If Ohio State does get in, it will be because they have won 2/3 of their remaining teams against Iowa/MSU, which would bring into question just how elite those teams are. And MD losing to Wisconsin and Minnesota last week, really brings that into question.

There's absolutely no way the Pac 12 is 5th. Doesn't even make any sense, given the depth of the league.

Honestly the B1G is closer to being the 6th best conference then they are the 4th.

Id agree if you're looking at the entire league. Many people don't do that though, thru just look at the top and compare. The P12 I could make an argument for 2nd best all the way to 5th best depending on how I set up criteria. The only for sure is the B12 is number 1

 

[The Derski]

Overall. The PAC 12 has no elite teams and about 6 that will make the tourney. The Big East has 2 very good teams and the rest of the conference is aveage. The B1G has 6 or 7 very good to good teams. 9 or 10 tourney teams and 3 elite teams. As far as elite teams the ACC, Big 12 and B1G all have 3 teams.

1. Big 12
2. ACC
3. Big 10
4. Big East
5. Pac 12

The rest don't matter.

Arizona can beat anyone in the Big Ten... cmon bro. DO you watch Pac 12 basketball?

 

[Shanemansj13]

That's not even remotely close. Michigan and Wisconsin aren't "very good" teams. And the league is getting 7 teams max(Wisconsin & Michigan on the bubble) If Ohio State does get in, it will be because they have won 2/3 of their remaining teams against Iowa/MSU, which would bring into question just how elite those teams are. And MD losing to Wisconsin and Minnesota last week, really brings that into question.

There's absolutely no way the Pac 12 is 5th. Doesn't even make any sense, given the depth of the league.

Honestly the B1G is closer to being the 6th best conference then they are the 4th.

A case can be made they are actually above the Big East, bc they only have 2 very good teams. The Pac doesn't have one very good team except maybe Arizona. From top to bottom they aren't better than the B1G, ACC or Big 12. Wiconsin and scum are two teams that are inconsistent, but they can beat anyone in the country, you can't say that for a lot of teams, especially in the Pac 12.
And questioning MSU or Iowas bc they lose against Ohio St just isn't right. At home Ohio St is one of the best teams in the B1G, they beat Kentucky when they were playing like shit and that was a neutral site. They have basically freshman and sophomore but when they do play good I like their chances to beat almost any team in the country. They have length and athleticism at every position.

 

[The Derski]

You facepalm my comment and then confirm what I said in your comment. Makes sense.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Arizona can beat anyone in the Big Ten... cmon bro. DO you watch Pac 12 basketball?

B1G >>> PAC

This isn't even a question. It is kinda like their football conference this year, no elite teams at all but they have pretty good depth. They probably only get 6 teams in while the B1G could get 8. It's just the bottom of the B1G is bad. The B1G has elite teams, the PAC doesn't, that is the difference.

 

[Shanemansj13]

You facepalm my comment and then confirm what I said in your comment. Makes sense.

one team doesn't make a conference. Read the title bruh

 

[The Derski]

one team doesn't make a conference. Read the title bruh

You were saying the Pac 12 had no teams that were great which is just flat out wrong. It's apparent you have watched little to no Pac 12 basketball all season.

 

[The Derski]

B1G >>> PAC

This isn't even a question. It is kinda like their football conference this year, no elite teams at all but they have pretty good depth. They probably only get 6 teams in while the B1G could get 8. It's just the bottom of the B1G is bad. The B1G has elite teams, the PAC doesn't, that is the difference.

Im curious. Im assuming you call Maryland and Iowa elite while Arizona isnt.... Arizona has a higher scoring margin than both of those teams and out rebound both of them greatly. Arizona has a proven coach and a history of high level play every year, yet you put two "flash in the pans" ahead of Arizona because they are in the "Outstanding Big Ten Conference".... give me a break dude

 

[Deep Creek]

Just asphalt and chained nets.

Yeah, there isn't any asphalt or chained nets in the inner cities like New Orleans, Chicago, Detroit, Houston, Dallas, Denver, LA, SF, Oakland, Seattle, etal.

 

[rmilia1]

Arizona I think is elite. That said it's not crazy to still question that. Zona has a shit SoS abd only 2 top 50 wins all year ( 0 in the top 25 ). Those numbers aren't the end all be all but it's not like it's outrageous to question them

 

[ericd7633]

A case can be made they are actually above the Big East, bc they only have 2 very good teams. The Pac doesn't have one very good team except maybe Arizona. From top to bottom they aren't better than the B1G, ACC or Big 12. Wiconsin and scum are two teams that are inconsistent, but they can beat anyone in the country, you can't say that for a lot of teams, especially in the Pac 12.
And questioning MSU or Iowas bc they lose against Ohio St just isn't right. At home Ohio St is one of the best teams in the B1G, they beat Kentucky when they were playing like shit and that was a neutral site. They have basically freshman and sophomore but when they do play good I like their chances to beat almost any team in the country. They have length and athleticism at every position.

From top to bottom the Pac 12 is leaps and bounds better than the B1G. Last I checked the B1G still has NW, Illinois, PSU, Nebraska, Minnesota and Rutgers in the league. That's 6 bad teams. And just about anybody in the Pac 12 can beat anybody in the country. Oregon State has more top 50 wins than EVERY team in the Big 10 except MSU.

And yes, Ohio State is so good at home they lost to La. Tech and UT-Arlington there. Those results matter, as does the lost to Memphis on a neutral court, another bad loss. The UK win is obviously good, but it's the only top 50 win they have all year. Ohio State has played 90% of their schedule and they aren't close to making the NCAAT, if they make it, it will be at the expense of the top of the league, and that will drop those "elite" teams down a peg. Although, I'm not sure the B1G has 3 "elite" teams as is. I consider elite top 8.

 

[ericd7633]

B1G >>> PAC

This isn't even a question. It is kinda like their football conference this year, no elite teams at all but they have pretty good depth. They probably only get 6 teams in while the B1G could get 8. It's just the bottom of the B1G is bad. The B1G has elite teams, the PAC doesn't, that is the difference.

This isn't the football board. The B1G in football was comparable to Pac 12. It's not comparable in basketball.

Going by the RPI numbers, the B1G is actually closer to being the American conference then they are the Pac 12.

Also, Oregon has more top 50 wins than EVERY team in the B1G, If you're going to consider MD/MSU elite, Oregon is too.

 

[rmilia1]

Ok so this will be fun. Mock P12/B10 challenge ( by RPI ). Flipped a coin to see who got first home game then alternated

Maryland vs Oregon
Utah vs Iowa
MSU vs Cal
Arizona vs Purdue
Indiana vs USC
Oregon St vs Wisconsin
Michigan vs Colorado
UCLA vs Ohio St
Penn St vs Washington
Stanford vs NW
Illinois vs AZ State
Wazzu vs Nebraska

Who ya got in each game??