Ben Simmons formally demands trade

[flyerhawk]

It is more premium than anybody else seems willing to pay for Simmons.

2 months ago, everyone was saying that Morey has to dump Simmons for pennies on the dollar because nobody wanted him. Now teams are showing that they DO want him and those same people are saying that Morey needs to accept whatever deal he can get.

According to reports, there are a half dozen teams looking into trading for Simmons.

 

[tlance]

2 months ago, everyone was saying that Morey has to dump Simmons for pennies on the dollar because nobody wanted him. Now teams are showing that they DO want him and those same people are saying that Morey needs to accept whatever deal he can get.

According to reports, there are a half dozen teams looking into trading for Simmons.

Both of these deals are pennies on the dollar.

Haliburton and Barnes is not a good return.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

That's not a premium though. It's a journeyman chucker, a salary filler, a rotation guy, and one first-rounder that needs to buck the trend of protections on picks. The Pistons have one premium asset in Cunningham and he isn't even included in the deal. There's nothing "premium" about this. If you stack shit higher, it's still shit.

So...Grants advanced stats all line up very comparably to Haliburton and Maxey..on one of the worst teams in the league. Bey's rookie year was substantially better than Barnes.. Sure a hundred years later Barnes today is a better player...at a much higher salary. Bey shot 38 from 3 last year and is getting back into that form again. Adding a first rounder and a veteran who has loads of playoff experience is a good offer.

Even the mere suggestion of the Pistons including Cade is insane.

 

[fightinfunbags]

It is more premium than anybody else seems willing to pay for Simmons.

Halliburton and Barnes is a better do something to compete in 2022 move. Sit and wait is a better “star hunting” option. I’d be disappointed if they waited this long to ultimately deal for this. I’m sorry to the Pistons fans, but I don’t want your trash you’re trying to clear out to build around Cunningham.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I think some of you just want to trash Morey at this point.

Grant, Bey, Olynyk and a protected 1st is NOT as good a deal as Halliburton and Barnes.

I can’t even see the argument. Both players for the Sixers in the Sac deal are better single players/fits than anything in that Pistons deal.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Both of these deals are pennies on the dollar.

Haliburton and Barnes is not a good return.

I disagree. I love Halliburton as a prospect with upside that’s a fit with Embiid now. Barnes isn’t a Batman but he’s a fine secondary option when you work him in with Harris and Curry. He isn’t my 3 level scorer that can get his own shot guy but he rebounds his position well and can stretch the floor. You’re right it’s not a homerun. But it doesn’t have to be in this discussion. It just has to be better than that Pistons deal.

 

[fightinfunbags]

So...Grants advanced stats all line up very comparably to Haliburton and Maxey..on one of the worst teams in the league. Bey's rookie year was substantially better than Barnes.. Sure a hundred years later Barnes today is a better player...at a much higher salary. Bey shot 38 from 3 last year and is getting back into that form again. Adding a first rounder and a veteran who has loads of playoff experience is a good offer.

Even the mere suggestion of the Pistons including Cade is insane.

I wouldn’t anticipate the Pistons trading Cade. I wouldn’t if I was Detroit. I was pushing back against this claim that this is a premium offer. It isn’t. And I’ve already spoken to my opinion of Grant. I don’t want to trash the guy but he is what he is. He generates stats on a rotten team that has little else. He’s a volume shooter on a bad team.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

I wouldn’t anticipate the Pistons trading Cade. I wouldn’t if I was Detroit. I was pushing back against this claim that this is a premium offer. It isn’t. And I’ve already spoken to my opinion of Grant. I don’t want to trash the guy but he is what he is. He generates stats on a rotten team that has little else. He’s a volume shooter on a bad team.

I'd agree that offer is a no go had we not just gone nearly six months with the dude effectively MIA on the team. This plan to hope his value magically inflates in the offseason seems exceptionally risky. At that point teams know they pretty much have to deal Simmons. It works both ways in that aspect.

 

[tlance]

Halliburton and Barnes is a better do something to compete in 2022 move. Sit and wait is a better “star hunting” option. I’d be disappointed if they waited this long to ultimately deal for this. I’m sorry to the Pistons fans, but I don’t want your trash you’re trying to clear out to build around Cunningham.

I mean yes, kind of.

But unless the Kings are including an unprotected 1st, it really isn’t close to the level of value of return.

Because again, they can trade the pick for another piece to do something now.

The pick if only lightly protected probably has equal value to Haliburton in terms of trade equity.

 

[flyerhawk]

Both of these deals are pennies on the dollar.

Haliburton and Barnes is not a good return.

It's a better return than the Pistons offer.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I think some of you just want to trash Morey at this point.

Grant, Bey, Olynyk and a protected 1st is NOT as good a deal as Halliburton and Barnes.

Players wise, I agree but that 1st can go A LONG way. Hard to say not knowing the protection though. Haliburton has the most upside and Barnes is a pretty good wing player. I like both those fits in the offense RIGHT NOW.
But people forget how much of a difference maker Grant was in Denver. He is the best defender and overall player any of the deals and he won't be a #1 scoring option so that is more focus on defense. I like both offers and would take either but do we know the Kings offered that?

 

[flyerhawk]

I mean yes, kind of.

But unless the Kings are including an unprotected 1st, it really isn’t close to the level of value of return.

Because again, they can trade the pick for another piece to do something now.

The pick if only lightly protected probably has equal value to Haliburton in terms of trade equity.

If the Pistons were offering an unprotected 2022 then that would change things ENTIRELY. But there is almost NO CHANCE that they are doing that. I would be very surprised if it isn't protected in such a way to almost guarantee it won't convey in 2022.

So I don't know why we would assume it would be lightly protected.

 

[flyerhawk]

Players wise, I agree but that 1st can go A LONG way. Hard to say not knowing the protection though. Haliburton has the most upside and Barnes is a pretty good wing player. I like both those fits in the offense RIGHT NOW.
But people forget how much of a difference maker Grant was in Denver. He is the best defender and overall player any of the deals and he won't be a #1 scoring option so that is more focus on defense. I like both offers and would take either but do we know the Kings offered that?

As I said, if the pick is unprotected or so lightly protected it would convey this year or next year then that would change my opinion. I just don't think that is very likely.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

If the Pistons were offering an unprotected 2022 then that would change things ENTIRELY. But there is almost NO CHANCE that they are doing that. I would be very surprised if it isn't protected in such a way to almost guarantee it won't convey in 2022.

So I don't know why we would assume it would be lightly protected.

They can't trade their 2022.

 

[flyerhawk]

They can't trade their 2022.

So we already making the pick less valuable.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I'd agree that offer is a no go had we not just gone nearly six months with the dude effectively MIA on the team. This plan to hope his value magically inflates in the offseason seems exceptionally risky. At that point teams know they pretty much have to deal Simmons. It works both ways in that aspect.

Any statements on his value from you or me really doesn't matter because no one really knows. All we have are rumors. I know the Sixers need a star to maximize the Embiid window by adding another star. I also know that a 3-time All-Star, the best perimeter defender in the league, the guy who assisted on more made 3s than any other player in the league last year, who is only 25 and has yet to tap into his full potential and needs a change of scenery to do so is the type of asset that brings that player. I also know that the modern NBA promises that the type of player that I and the Sixers covet has a good chance of being there for this deal this summer. So anything that happens now has to be slanted for making the Sixers a real contender in 2022. That Pistons deal doesn't do it.

 

[flyerhawk]

So anything that happens now has to be slanted for making the Sixers a real contender in 2022. That Pistons deal doesn't do it.

This is the part that a lot of non-Sixers fans don't seem to grasp.

The Sixers are not going to trade Simmons just for the sake of trading him. Whatever they get in return MUST significantly improve their chances of winning a title or just isn't worth making the trade. Bringing in some players that make the Sixers a 2nd round exist rather than a 1st round exit is just dumb.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Sixers fans: here's a paragraph why Ben Simmons should command a top 15ish player in return

Sixers fans last year after playoffs: dude is hot garbage

Lol

 

[tlance]

If the Pistons were offering an unprotected 2022 then that would change things ENTIRELY. But there is almost NO CHANCE that they are doing that. I would be very surprised if it isn't protected in such a way to almost guarantee it won't convey in 2022.

So I don't know why we would assume it would be lightly protected.

Of course.

Lightly protected or unprotected in 2023 is what I have been saying in every post.

 

[fightinfunbags]

This is the part that a lot of non-Sixers fans don't seem to grasp.

The Sixers are not going to trade Simmons just for the sake of trading him. Whatever they get in return MUST significantly improve their chances of winning a title or just isn't worth making the trade. Bringing in some players that make the Sixers a 2nd round exist rather than a 1st round exit is just dumb

Exactly. If the Sixers are going this route of multiple deals to get that accomplished, they need to contact OKC who has more draft capital than they know what to do with. Go stockpile 4 or 5 ones over 3-4 years of drafts to blow somebody away that wants to deal a star. Some lottery-protected first-rounder in 2023 doesn't move the needle on much of anything.