Ben Simmons formally demands trade

[WiggyRuss]

I don't think Fox makes all that much sense for the Sixers as he is redundant to Maxey. Better defender but worse shooter. However I could see a 3 team trade involved Simmons and Fox.

dude, if you put Fox with Embiid he would flourish. Maxey playing with a stretch 4 like Harris and a guy like Embiid helps a shit ton.

Fox would get so much less defensive attention on the Sixers. He is so fast and getting to a winner would totally refresh his game. Fox is way better than Maxey.

but- I do agree- getting wing help is prob. the biggest need if you move Simmons and Fox is obviously not a wing. HE is a high level talent though- and I dont know if they are going to do better getting any single high level talent.

if the Cavs didnt have Garland I would be very high on trying to get Fox.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Fox is definitely better than Maxey

 

[fightinfunbags]

Fox is definitely better than Maxey

Right now? Agree. Who knows where Maxey’s game goes. I don’t think the Kings part with Fox anyway.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

The more I contemplate AD for Ben the more it makes sense to me. Does anyone think a team with AD as the alpha wins jack shit? LA needs defense in a bad way and Ben provides that.

 

[tlance]

The more I contemplate AD for Ben the more it makes sense to me. Does anyone think a team with AD as the alpha wins jack shit? LA needs defense in a bad way and Ben provides that.

Do you think Ben Simmons fits at all with Russ and LeBron?

With LeBron and AD, maybe.

But not Russ.

Say what you will about AD and his desire and toughness. He fits with LeBron. Just needs to play better.

Trading him for Simmons would be incredibly short sighted.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Do you think Ben Simmons fits at all with Russ and LeBron?

With LeBron and AD, maybe.

But not Russ.

Say what you will about AD and his desire and toughness. He fits with LeBron. Just needs to play better.

Trading him for Simmons would be incredibly short sighted.

No I don't think he fits with Russ. They'd have to figure a way to incorporate him as well.

The RW trade was obviously a disaster. They have to figure how to undo that one.

 

[tlance]

No I don't think he fits with Russ. They'd have to figure a way to incorporate him as well.

The RW trade was obviously a disaster. They have to figure how to undo that one.

It Might be too late.

Using AD to move Russ will not get the Lakers where they need to be.

And I don’t believe moving Russ is realistic.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

It Might be too late.

Using AD to move Russ will not get the Lakers where they need to be.

And I don’t believe moving Russ is realistic.

Don't necessarily disagree but getting back AD won't be a magic bullet to fix this team. As constructed this team won't win a thing. Lebron is playing out of his mind right now and they're still losing.

 

[trojanfan12]

As constructed this team won't win a thing. Lebron is playing out of his mind right now and they're still losing.

lol

Love all of the overreaction.

Here is a list of the games where the Lakers have had their full roster:

They had 2 guys playing a lot of minutes on Christmas Day that they signed on Christmas Eve. I read that they have had more starting lineup changes than any team in the league so far. Pretty sure that wasn't the plan going in.

They need to get healthy and stay that way for a couple of weeks or so to have any idea how good they can be.

 

[flyerhawk]

dude, if you put Fox with Embiid he would flourish. Maxey playing with a stretch 4 like Harris and a guy like Embiid helps a shit ton.

Fox would get so much less defensive attention on the Sixers. He is so fast and getting to a winner would totally refresh his game. Fox is way better than Maxey.

but- I do agree- getting wing help is prob. the biggest need if you move Simmons and Fox is obviously not a wing. HE is a high level talent though- and I dont know if they are going to do better getting any single high level talent.

if the Cavs didnt have Garland I would be very high on trying to get Fox.

I like Fox. But I don't see how the Sixers could play with Maxey and Fox on the court.

What the Sixers need is either a tall playmaking guard or a versatile wing.

 

[fightinfunbags]

The more I contemplate AD for Ben the more it makes sense to me. Does anyone think a team with AD as the alpha wins jack shit? LA needs defense in a bad way and Ben provides that.

I’d be more likely to want Harris out if they do the Brow trade. AD is an uncomfortable fit with Embiid to begin with. I think the Lakers are stuck with the mess they’ve made.

 

[Shanemansj13]

lol

Love all of the overreaction.

Here is a list of the games where the Lakers have had their full roster:

They had 2 guys playing a lot of minutes on Christmas Day that they signed on Christmas Eve. I read that they have had more starting lineup changes than any team in the league so far. Pretty sure that wasn't the plan going in.

They need to get healthy and stay that way for a couple of weeks or so to have any idea how good they can be.

Like I said, if AD when he comes back is the same AD, they are doomed. If they keep this roster and don’t make any upgrades, they are doomed. There is no way to fix this defense, they don’t have the personnel. It all depends on AD and if they can make moves, specifically moving RW.

 

[trojanfan12]

I’d be more likely to want Harris out if they do the Brow trade. AD is an uncomfortable fit with Embiid to begin with. I think the Lakers are stuck with the mess they’ve made.

I don't know. You'd have a stretch 4 in AD and a stretch 5 in Embiid. It would take a minute, but once they learned to play together, they could be pretty tough to beat. Both have to be defended out to the 3 point line and AD has guard level ballhandling and passing skills.

They could even co-exist in the paint in some situations because both can pass the ball well.

 

[trojanfan12]

Like I said, if AD when he comes back is the same AD, they are doomed.

Agree. He has to step up and play like he's capable.

If they keep this roster and don’t make any upgrades, they are doomed.

What games have you watched where they had everyone healthy at the same time that tells you this?

There is no way to fix this defense, they don’t have the personnel.

Prior to these last few games, where they have had Covid issues combined with injuries, they had gotten to as high as 9th in the league defensively.

It all depends on AD and if they can make moves, specifically moving RW.

It depends on AD. We'll have to see about what happens with Westbrook when everyone is healthy. Of course, by then, it may be too late to move him.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Agree. He has to step up and play like he's capable.



What games have you watched where they had everyone healthy at the same time that tells you this?



Prior to these last few games, where they have had Covid issues combined with injuries, they had gotten to as high as 9th in the league defensively.



It depends on AD. We'll have to see about what happens with Westbrook when everyone is healthy. Of course, by then, it may be too late to move him.

Well I didn’t like the RW move when the made it so I am biased. Could they play better, absolutely but it comes down to a lot of factors. As of right now this roster is not a contending roster when healthy imo

 

[trojanfan12]

Well I didn’t like the RW move when the made it so I am biased. Could they play better, absolutely but it comes down to a lot of factors. As of right now this roster is not a contending roster when healthy imo

Wasn't a fan of the Westbrook trade either. But I do get the reasoning behind it. Lebron and AD healthy and playing well would make this team contenders with or without Westbrook.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I don't know. You'd have a stretch 4 in AD and a stretch 5 in Embiid. It would take a minute, but once they learned to play together, they could be pretty tough to beat. Both have to be defended out to the 3 point line and AD has guard level ballhandling and passing skills.

They could even co-exist in the paint in some situations because both can pass the ball well.

I can see it. It would have to approximate the Admiral Duncan pairing. But Tobias Harris. He’s like your annoying kid brother that your mom always makes tag along. It really cramps the style. Harris can’t play the 3 outside of a handful of minutes a game. Morey would have to find a way to deal him. People think Morey would have to swallow on a Simmons deal? Multiply that by 3 on dealing Harris contract until the final year when it’s an expiring deal.

Either way…I’m so ready to move on. The only compelling aspect of this Sixers season has been watching the growth of Maxey. The aspect of the Ben deal that I never considered in waiting is just the non-GAF of Joel Embiid. Some nights he’s shows and some nights he presents no energy like why bother with this group right now. I didn’t see that aspect of Morey’s game of chicken having on this thing. I guess Sixers fans and Lakers fans share this in common with the disappointment this season.

 

[tlance]

lol

Love all of the overreaction.

Here is a list of the games where the Lakers have had their full roster:

They had 2 guys playing a lot of minutes on Christmas Day that they signed on Christmas Eve. I read that they have had more starting lineup changes than any team in the league so far. Pretty sure that wasn't the plan going in.

They need to get healthy and stay that way for a couple of weeks or so to have any idea how good they can be.

It isn’t overreaction though.

This team has legit problems on the defensive end.

I definitely think they can improve. But enough to get through both the Warriors, the Suns and everyone else in the playoffs?

No. I don’t see it. Sorry.

This is a large departure from the formula that brought the Lakers a title on the backs of LeBron and AD. Support players just aren’t there.

 

[trojanfan12]

It isn’t overreaction though.

This team has legit problems on the defensive end.

I definitely think they can improve. But enough to get through both the Warriors, the Suns and everyone else in the playoffs?

No. I don’t see it. Sorry.

This is a large departure from the formula that brought the Lakers a title on the backs of LeBron and AD. Support players just aren’t there.

Unless and until we see this team with its full roster...it is absolutely an overreaction. It is silly to say otherwise. As I pointed out earlier, this team has had the more different lineups and rotations than any other team in the league. I seriously doubt that was by design.

Maybe they can't make it work, maybe they can. We don't know yet. During the stretch where they were starting to at least have a little more of the roster available, they moved from the bottom of the league to the top 10 in defense. Then they lost AD and some guys to Covid and the defense started falling again.

I don't know if a top 10 is sustainable once they are fully healthy and neither does anyone else because we haven't seen it. Most of these players are playing roles and minutes that weren't expecting when the roster was put together.

 

[trojanfan12]

Either way…I’m so ready to move on. The only compelling aspect of this Sixers season has been watching the growth of Maxey. The aspect of the Ben deal that I never considered in waiting is just the non-GAF of Joel Embiid. Some nights he’s shows and some nights he presents no energy like why bother with this group right now. I didn’t see that aspect of Morey’s game of chicken having on this thing.

I think at least a couple of us on here said that the longer this dragged out, it would start to effect the players. That may well be what we're seeing now. You can't have a season long circus and have it not effect them. The season is too long to just "power through" issues like that. It seems like it's starting to wear on the fans too.

It looks like the Sixers may still be able to salvage some useable assets (but not the level Morey is holding out for). But Morey needs to adjust his asking price, imo.

Heck, trading Simmons for Westbrook has been suggested and most think that trade would never happen....with the way things are going...that may be the only thing left if Morey doesn't get busy. lol