Babcock given permission to talk to NHL teams - Update - Leafs it is!

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Reports are that Terry Pegula is opening up his wallet for Babcock to coach the Sabres...

 

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Reports are that Terry Pegula is opening up his wallet for Babcock to coach the Sabres...

 

[Winged_Wheel88]

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[sabresfaninthesouth]

Reports are that Pegula is offering somewhere in the range of $5M/year with a total comp package at around $50M. Doesn't get into details, but I don't think that's a straight $5/year for 10 years deal. I'm guessing some kind of performance bonus structure or maybe some options for extensions beyond the initial terms.

Compared to apparently a $3.25M/year offer from Detroit. I know Babs says money isn't everything and he'd obviously have a much more established team in Detroit, but $1.75M/year is nothing to sneeze at.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Reports are that Pegula is offering somewhere in the range of $5M/year with a total comp package at around $50M. Doesn't get into details, but I don't think that's a straight $5/year for 10 years deal. I'm guessing some kind of performance bonus structure or maybe some options for extensions beyond the initial terms.

Compared to apparently a $3.25M/year offer from Detroit. I know Babs says money isn't everything and he'd obviously have a much more established team in Detroit, but $1.75M/year is nothing to sneeze at.

That is insane money for any coach. But if ya got it, flaunt it.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Always thought Babcock was white, but I guess maybe the milk man wasn't?

 

[jstewismybastardson]

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

That is insane money for any coach. But if ya got it, flaunt it.

One of the things they've talked about is that Babcock wants to get salaries up for NHL coaches in general, which might be why he'd consider a big offer like that.

Consider that Coach Q is currently thought to be the highest paid coach at $2.75M, while the lowest paid NFL coach is getting $3.5M and a high of $8M and the lowest in the NBA is believed to be $2M with a high at $11M.

The NHL is pretty tight-lipped on coach salaries, but a guy like Julien - even with a Cup on his resume - is believed to be pulling only (haha, only) in the range of $1.2M.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

One of the things they've talked about is that Babcock wants to get salaries up for NHL coaches in general, which might be why he'd consider a big offer like that.

Consider that Coach Q is currently thought to be the highest paid coach at $2.75M, while the lowest paid NFL coach is getting $3.5M and a high of $8M and the lowest in the NBA is believed to be $2M with a high at $11M.

The NHL is pretty tight-lipped on coach salaries, but a guy like Julien - even with a Cup on his resume - is believed to be pulling only (haha, only) in the range of $1.2M.

Yeah, but the NFL pulls more revenue in one week than the NHL does in a season. It's fine that Babcock wants to set a precedent, but how many coaches right now are in his stratosphere in regards to having the reputation as a winner that he has? 5? 10, tops?

There have been 5 vacancies this spring, and if Babcock left that would be 6. I think McLellan got some good money from Edmonton, I know pseudo-Hextall didn't get much as a rookie coach. Wherever Babcock lands, there will still be 3 vacancies and 2 of those will be for rebuilding teams and will likely be assistant coaches from other teams that fill them. None of them will be getting anywhere near Babcock money. 8 coaches were hired after the end of last season; of them I'd say maybe Lavy and Trotz got good money. It's always going to be a small number of guys that owners will shell out for.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

Yeah, but the NFL pulls more revenue in one week than the NHL does in a season. It's fine that Babcock wants to set a precedent, but how many coaches right now are in his stratosphere in regards to having the reputation as a winner that he has? 5? 10, tops?

There have been 5 vacancies this spring, and if Babcock left that would be 6. I think McLellan got some good money from Edmonton, I know pseudo-Hextall didn't get much as a rookie coach. Wherever Babcock lands, there will still be 3 vacancies and 2 of those will be for rebuilding teams and will likely be assistant coaches from other teams that fill them. None of them will be getting anywhere near Babcock money. 8 coaches were hired after the end of last season; of them I'd say maybe Lavy and Trotz got good money. It's always going to be a small number of guys that owners will shell out for.

Agreed on all points, which is why I included what I could find on NBA coaches, since that's probably the best comparable based on season, revenues, etc.

I think that's probably what he's going for is to try to pull NHL coaches into that same general range as what NBA guys are getting. You figure if a Cup winning coach like Julien is getting significantly less than an entry-level NBA guy, there's a definite room for growth.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Agreed on all points, which is why I included what I could find on NBA coaches, since that's probably the best comparable based on season, revenues, etc.

I think that's probably what he's going for is to try to pull NHL coaches into that same general range as what NBA guys are getting. You figure if a Cup winning coach like Julien is getting significantly less than an entry-level NBA guy, there's a definite room for growth.

Cup-winning coach named Randy was getting some decent money until recently...

 

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@DarrenDreger: Toronto and Buffalo in bidding war for Babcock. No decision yet. Hearing Red Wings final offer was 5 years at $4 million per.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

@DarrenDreger: Toronto and Buffalo in bidding war for Babcock. No decision yet. Hearing Red Wings final offer was 5 years at $4 million per.

I thought we were out?

Jesus Shanny let it go. All hiring him would do is create unbelievably high expectations that the team will never ever match.

 

[mattola]

I thought we were out?

Jesus Shanny let it go. All hiring him would do is create unbelievably high expectations that the team will never ever match.

I think Babcock is just using the leafs to up the price much like many use the canucks in bidding to up their price for an elite player but never seriously want to have them go there.

 

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I thought we were out?

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

I think Babcock is just using the leafs to up the price much like many use the canucks in bidding to up their price for an elite player but never seriously want to have them go there.

Possibly, but it's not like one job is dreamier than the other right now.

 

[mattola]

Possibly, but it's not like one job is dreamier than the other right now.

I suppose Buffalo is a better option for more success quicker. They have an elite prospect coming in this draft. have some decent players now and with babcock in charge some smarter decisions could be made this off season. Toronto needs an implosion

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

I suppose Buffalo is a better option for more success quicker. They have an elite prospect coming in this draft. have some decent players now and with babcock in charge some smarter decisions could be made this off season. Toronto needs an implosion

That's very true, but at the same time I can see a scenario where despite their current situations Buffalo and Toronto both return to playoff contention at the same time given that Buffalo's roster still needs some work to get to a place where they can compete (defence and still need a goalie), and Toronto still has a lot of pieces they could move to teams on the verge of contention in exchange for young talent rather than draft picks. Obviously Eichel should give Buffalo a much larger advantage assuming he makes the jump to the NHL immediately and is able to hit the ground running, but Toronto could manoeuvre themselves towards Buffalo's level of progression quickly if the right moves are made.

If in 2 years both teams have the kind of season, say, the Panthers had this year, it wouldn't shock me.

 

[BGDave]

I suppose Buffalo is a better option for more success quicker. They have an elite prospect coming in this draft. have some decent players now and with babcock in charge some smarter decisions could be made this off season. Toronto needs an implosion

Eichel, Ennis, OK. After that, prospects but that is all. In DET, the rest of the team would be in Grand Rapids. No NHL calibre goalie.

I know we all love to crap on TOR, but are you telling me Kessel, JVR, Kadri, Rielly, Gardiner are nothing? Bernier and Reimer might not be elite, but they are better than anything BUF has.

The comparison is not nearly as far apart as you present. Having said that, Babs would be nuts to take on either one.