Armchair GMs...check this out.

[broncosmitty]

Disappointment is just part of being a Lions fan.

 

[gandydancer]

I will say the same thing I've said from the get go and after seeing Golden Tate play for a year -- it only emphasized my point from before.

There are only so many balls to go around. On a team with not one, but two WR's who were selected to the pro bowl and in an offense where they love dumping passes off to the RB's -- Ebron will not sniff those type of numbers.

The TD total is possible, but not if the Lions use Fauria as their red zone target. This isn't the same Lions team from a couple years ago, where we are winging it 700 times a season.

Could Ebron put up those type of numbers in another offense, where he'd be featured much more? Who knows? Personally -- He didn't look like that type of player last year, but TE is a tough position. I still didn't see him getting separation in his routes, which is why I'm guessing his offseason plan consisted of working on his route running in North Carolina.

It'd be tremendous if he could be another weapon for the offense. Won't change my opinion on the pick though, but that is what it is.

I don't need Gronk or Grahm numbers. Just need him to (develop) into a TE who creates a mismatch. So between him and two WRs and RB there is always a mismatch somewhere. That is all you need from him, not HOF numbers.

Did the pick suck? We will see. Did the draft slot at 10 suck? Yes.

TrustMe you do know that unless a newbie shows up, every swingin dick in here knows you fucking hated the pick. As the same words quoted above can be found in fitty two other threads.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

My name is DIPSHIT, I'm a newbie in here.

I've been told that is the place to voice your opinion and you can actually get away with thousands of times.

Thanks in advance

 

[lionstop1]

It is hindsight, Blue. I could've easily made an argument for Evans or OBJ before the draft. I actually did for Evans

 

[lionstop1]

No one would be bitching about the Lions not drafting OBJ. Detroit already has Tate and Calvin. I wouldn't want the Lions to draft OBJ, even after seeing him play his rookie year. He is a tremendous talent, but I'd take Aaron Donald or Zach Martin in a heartbeat over him, as they fill needs on the team, as well as being a tremendous talent.

What I don't think you understand is -- It is nothing personal against Ebron. I think he could be a solid player in another system. The people who were dead set against the pick, myself being the most vocal, would not be happy for any TE drafted in the top 10. IMO -- unless you are an absolute freak of nature who is a giant like Graham or you are one of the best blocking TE's to go along with one of the best route runners and the best hands like Gronkowski -- You shouldn't spend a pick so valuable on the position.

Nothing about Ebron is extraordinary. Nothing jumps off the sheet and says -- WOW. He can run, doesn't have elite speed. He can make a great catch every so often, but struggles with drops. He isn't big for the position (6'4"). He isn't going to out jump many guys (32" vert) His best asset is his confidence, but if he has another year like 2014 -- I'm not sure how long that is going to last.

I truly, truly hope that we see a turnaround from Ebron, as I want the Lions to be successful. I still stand by my comments that the pick made absolutely no sense to me.

I guess I understand but nothing about Donald was extraodinary to some people either.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

It is hindsight, Blue

agree cuz it was after the fact. aka hindsight.

But, I'll still keep to my opinion that having three DT's all with expiring contracts and seeing Donald firsthand at the Senior Bowl and Combine and what he would have brought to this team for the future from a defensive perspective full well knowing that the probability of keeping Suh and Fairley was iffy at best.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

I guess I understand but nothing about Donald was extraodinary to some people either.

What exactly was so extraordinary about Ebron ?

not being a smartass either.

 

[gandydancer]

No one would be bitching about the Lions not drafting OBJ. Detroit already has Tate and Calvin. I wouldn't want the Lions to draft OBJ, even after seeing him play his rookie year. He is a tremendous talent, but I'd take Aaron Donald or Zach Martin in a heartbeat over him, as they fill needs on the team, as well as being a tremendous talent.

What I don't think you understand is -- It is nothing personal against Ebron. I think he could be a solid player in another system. t

For me, yes I could bitch on OBJ, Evans, or Watkins. Yes it may solidfy the WR spot, for the future, but when Stafford is not the type who feeds balls to the hot guy that day and locks in one guy many times. Any rookie with all those great productions numbers would have never been had in Detroit. Stafford has a pecking order and sticks with it.

All those rookies were solid in another system. We prolly be saying same for any receiving option at #10. As their talents would not be utilized for the Lions.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

All those rookies were solid in another system. We prolly be saying same for any receiving option at #10. As their talents would not be utilized for the Lions.

and all the rest of your post as well.

 

[gandydancer]

Tell me what I won Bib?

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

Tell me what I won Bib?

one all expense paid trip to Chicago

OR

 

[jdwills126]

As fans we are allowed to want or think what guy is best or what position needs to be addressed. We have limited time to read we don't get scouting reports, wonderlic scores, or the chance to sit in on interviews.

A professional GM and their staff do. They also plan, not only for the next year but long term. Donald was the most glaring name at DT and I have said it could have been Jernigan just as easily in the second. With Pettigrew under contract, like it or not, and Fauria having a pretty good rookie year I didn't see TE as an immediate or long term need. With only 1 DT and the real chance Suh wanted to leave I did see DT as a need. I can even remember fans citing that last year when Donald was being discussed.

As a fan you want your guy. And to be fair their was no clear cut star at 10. Evans went early, the big LB to Oakland out of Buffalo Univ. and Sammy Watkins. But you have to trust the GM to make the right pick not the popular pick. As of right now I just do not see Ebron as the right pick and looking at the holes the Lions have I can' t think many fans would say he was the right guy.

 

[gandydancer]

one all expense paid trip to Chicago

OR

Chicago it is. Lactose and me don't see eye to eye.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

Chicago trip is January 2016.

you should of read the small print.

 

[lionstop1]

agree cuz it was after the fact. aka hindsight.

But, I'll still keep to my opinion that having three DT's all with expiring contracts and seeing Donald firsthand at the Senior Bowl and Combine and what he would have brought to this team for the future from a defensive perspective full well knowing that the probability of keeping Suh and Fairley was iffy at best.

Not that you're wrong, I just dont see it like that. Out of all the prospects, theyre supposed to automatically draft Donald because there may have been some uncertainty about the position? Are they suppose to disregard their grading system due to that?

 

[lionstop1]

What exactly was so extraordinary about Ebron ?

not being a smartass either.

I dont see this guy up close like they do. I still think fans ignore the fact that NFL organizations "see and know" much more about these guys than we do. We as fans are only comparing talent from our chairs while they have real access to the player and his real abilities. Plus, NFL teams choose what type of guys they want in their locker rooms.

 

[lionstop1]

For me, yes I could bitch on OBJ, Evans, or Watkins. Yes it may solidfy the WR spot, for the future, but when Stafford is not the type who feeds balls to the hot guy that day and locks in one guy many times. Any rookie with all those great productions numbers would have never been had in Detroit. Stafford has a pecking order and sticks with it.

All those rookies were solid in another system. We prolly be saying same for any receiving option at #10. As their talents would not be utilized for the Lions.

I dont get this.

 

[lionstop1]

As fans we are allowed to want or think what guy is best or what position needs to be addressed. We have limited time to read we don't get scouting reports, wonderlic scores, or the chance to sit in on interviews.

A professional GM and their staff do. They also plan, not only for the next year but long term. Donald was the most glaring name at DT and I have said it could have been Jernigan just as easily in the second. With Pettigrew under contract, like it or not, and Fauria having a pretty good rookie year I didn't see TE as an immediate or long term need. With only 1 DT and the real chance Suh wanted to leave I did see DT as a need. I can even remember fans citing that last year when Donald was being discussed.

As a fan you want your guy. And to be fair their was no clear cut star at 10. Evans went early, the big LB to Oakland out of Buffalo Univ. and Sammy Watkins. But you have to trust the GM to make the right pick not the popular pick. As of right now I just do not see Ebron as the right pick and looking at the holes the Lions have I can' t think many fans would say he was the right guy.

Its only been a year. The "right" guy hasn't really been determined yet. I just dont think fans can really speak on the situation without actually being in it.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

I guess I understand but nothing about Donald was extraodinary to some people either.

Donald has those freak qualities I was talking about. At almost 290 lbs, he ran a 4.63 at the combine (the fastest ever for DT -- I don't remember this, but that is what it says), while benching 225 36 times and having the same vertical leap as Ebron. This after a senior year where he had 28.5 tackles for loss and 11 sacks, while winning every major award for lineman they have -- he won the bednarik (best defensive player), the lombardi (best lineman or linebacker), the outland (the best interior lineman), the nagurski (best defensive player) -- the last defensive tackle to sweep these awards used to be a Lion.

 

[gandydancer]

I dont get this.

You won't.... You support Stafford tooooooo much. CJ and Tate would take touches away from any receiving option drafted. Even if Matt did not have radar lock.

Benjamin and OBJ were #1 options on their teams. They would be Fuller on the Lions.