Arian Foster

[randymon]

Oh and PS. On your list......aside from AP, Charles,Lynch, Bell and Gurley, don't think any of those other guys deserve the " fear factor " tag. Yeah you have to account for them but that's just smart football. Hell Rawls and Johnson have barely got their feet wet. The others, maybe a young Forte and McCoy has never really impressed me that much except his mouth. Maybe I'm missing " your" definition of fear but those first 5 only would qualify with me. The rest, their all good backs,solid and maybe a couple still could earn that praise and attention in future like Johnson and don't see any on that 2nd list that would scare Denver any at all. Many of them are right in the Hilman mold buddy

 

[randymon]

I hope I am .. I hope Hillman goes nuts and wins super bowl MVP. If he doesn't ill fly wherever you're and give you a huge and maybe even a little smooch on the forehead.

Our Iowa legend QB Chuck Long coached at SD State. I had a nice connection to them with a D coach, always tried to help them land a DB transfer when he was there. I like that program. Usually has a player or two I like to watch.

For the record. I loved Ronnie Hillman at SD State.

I love Iowa players,always have. Big, mean tough strong corn fed boys. They are usually very bright guys too. I actually think that rb,Casteronzi or something, could do ok . Maybe like a Woodhead or Ryan Matthews type.SD players you get mostly speed guys (wrs/rbs)and some decent Lbs, A few qbs kickers

 

[Draft Crazy]

Canzieri. I am actually meeting with him wed for an interview for my site at the local taco place downtown here. Ill tell him you said that.

Iowa always seems to have players who are NFL ready with high wonderlic scores.

Their strength and condition coach Kevin Doyle is amazing with what he can do with those guys to get them NFL ready in the weight room combined with Ferentz coaching style.

 

[Broncos6482]

Jumping in a little late here, but I'll add my thoughts on running back.

In my opinion, there are two huge mistakes you should never make with a running back.

1. Drafting a running back high. We've all seen the late round or undrafted backs that come out of nowhere to lead a team in rushing, and too many highly drafted, sure fire running backs don't pan out (Trent Richardson, Montee Ball). There just isn't enough value in taking a running back high in the draft, especially in a running back friendly system like Kubiak runs.
2. Signing another team's running back with a lot of miles, or re-signing your own. The position just causes these guys to get used up. Moreno finally had a nice season in Denver, and the Broncos didn't even try to bring him back, and that looks like a smart decision now. Arian Foster has way too much wear on his body to even bother with a roster spot.

Now, if you can find a low-use running back to bring in as a free agent, that would be ok. Someone mentioned Alfred Morris, and I think he's the kind of guy that would be worth taking a look at. I also think Ronnie Hillman has really improved, and since he hasn't had a lot of carries he's worth bringing back as a complementary back.

I also think it's wise to spend a late round pick on a running back pretty much every year. It's tough for running backs to be durable because they take such a beating, so you can never really have too many.

Finally, don't get attached to any of them. I like CJ and Hillman, I think they complement each other well, and could turn into a pretty nice tandem. But there really isn't anything special about either of them, and if some other team falls in love with one of them and offers them a lot of money, it's best to let them walk. Same thing with Bibbs and Thompson, there are guys like them in every single draft, they are easily replaceable.

 

[58crash]

thank you ..

Draft at least a LT or RT in first 2 rounds ..

 

[Draft Crazy]

You guys have to understand though two things.

A. Gary Kubiak and his staff built Arian Foster

B. Arian Foster would not come in here to be "the guy" and he would be in here with a one year cheap deal.

I am not saying I want it, I am not saying he is gonna come in here and be great. But you have to understand the NFL. Players follow coaches. We don't have a ton of money right now with our impending Free Agents. We are already gonna lose a few big ones after this season. This is a business. Sometimes teams have to fill in the gaps with signings like these to compete for roster spots. I think some of you get all too excited about one year contracts thinking we are ripping the bank open with these investments. Sometimes you need a vet like Foster to come in and compete. I am just like anyone else. I would not be thrilled, but it is a move I expect to see.

We obviously need OL help. This isn't taking anything away from that need. It's not like we are gonna neglect OL and open the bank on Foster here. This is going to be a low risk signing. It is not gonna impact our biggest need of OL help.

 

[Broncos6482]

My point is, you can find a rookie to compete for a roster spot, and probably at a lower price than what it would cost to bring in Foster. I just don't see the point in signing him, dude is done.

 

[SpringStein]

I'd say you bring in a vet due to the tricks of the trade that vets have learned. Things like blocking that all rookie season trigger with. And knowing when to block or release into the vacated flat if a blitz comes from that direction. But I agree with the thought of don't get too attached to RBs.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Right I am with you there. I am not arguing that.

But it comes down to if we want to spend a pick on a RB in the first 4 rounds. I am all for it, depends on what the team is willing to do. Not a lot of RB's after the first 4 -5 rounds this year. So I don't think we should go in with the attitude of oh just pluck any ole RB off the blocks and plug him in there because it is cheap. Foster isn't going to be expensive. We can afford a one year deal with him. I almost expect us to draft a RB, sign Foster to a one yeal deal and let Hillman walk.

Worst case is Foster is done or gets hurt again and isn't on the team. No harm done. The truth is Kubiak loves him. He built him in Houston thus why I am almost expecting him.

I am not Gary Kubiak so not my decision to make. Just something I am saying that I am not going to be surprised if it happens given the trends in the NFL of players following coaches and Kubiak bringing a lot of his old staff and player to Denver which is always common with a coaching change.

 

[Draft Crazy]

I'd say you bring in a vet due to the tricks of the trade that vets have learned. Things like blocking that all rookie season trigger with. And knowing when to block or release into the vacated flat if a blitz comes from that direction. But I agree with the thought of don't get too attached to RBs.

BINGO was his Name-O!

I think sometimes fans think we can fill 10 needs all through the draft.

With the way our team is set up right now we aren't looking for 10 rookies to fill in.. We have to fill in some of the gaps through FA..

Would I bring in Foster with the idea he is our #1 stud RB?

Hell no!

But that isn't the kind of contract we will be signing him to if we do bring him in.

 

[Broncos6482]

I'd much rather re-sign Hillman than waste time with Foster. I just don't see the point. The guy is injured all the time. How is signing an old, broken down running back going to help the team?

 

[cdumler7]

I'd much rather re-sign Hillman than waste time with Foster. I just don't see the point. The guy is injured all the time. How is signing an old, broken down running back going to help the team?

I think the difference between Hillman and Foster would be length of contract. With Foster you can get away with signing him to a 1-year stop gap deal with very little investment. Hillman with having a decent year, being young, and a skill set that could attract an ok contract will be looking at more of a 3-year type deal. So longer investment in a player that is replaceable.

Throw in I don't think Hillman has shown that he is the best fit for this scheme. Like I said earlier it has angered me many times where I have seen a huge cut back lane to only have Hillman decide to use his speed to try and get to the outside. So instead of a 2nd and 5 we have a 2nd and 10. I would say maybe twice this entire year has his bouncing it outside really done amazing for us. For me I would rather take the consistent 5 yards every time than those 2 big plays a year where every other time we are stuck in a long distance.

That to me is where Foster can play a better complimentary role to that of CJ. Foster is that guy that is known for eating up yards and just knowing this system. So I understand why we would bring him in. Yes he has a ton of mileage and yes he has suffered a lot of injuries but it would be a low risk signing especially if you add say a late round draft pick on top of CJ and Foster.

 

[Draft Crazy]

I think the difference between Hillman and Foster would be length of contract. With Foster you can get away with signing him to a 1-year stop gap deal with very little investment. Hillman with having a decent year, being young, and a skill set that could attract an ok contract will be looking at more of a 3-year type deal. So longer investment in a player that is replaceable.

Throw in I don't think Hillman has shown that he is the best fit for this scheme. Like I said earlier it has angered me many times where I have seen a huge cut back lane to only have Hillman decide to use his speed to try and get to the outside. So instead of a 2nd and 5 we have a 2nd and 10. I would say maybe twice this entire year has his bouncing it outside really done amazing for us. For me I would rather take the consistent 5 yards every time than those 2 big plays a year where every other time we are stuck in a long distance.

That to me is where Foster can play a better complimentary role to that of CJ. Foster is that guy that is known for eating up yards and just knowing this system. So I understand why we would bring him in. Yes he has a ton of mileage and yes he has suffered a lot of injuries but it would be a low risk signing especially if you add say a late round draft pick on top of CJ and Foster.

Great post CD.

 

[Orange Crush77]

Hillman does nothing for me.

 

[Broncos6482]

At this point I'd take Hillman's production over Foster's. I just don't think Foster has anything left, and bringing him in is a waste of time and resources.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Either way we need a young RB who opens up the pass game a bit more for us. Need a RB who teams fear a bit more and game plan a bit more for. Need a RB who draws attention of an extra S or LB in the box...

 

[SpiritOf77]

Lamar Miller

I am going to harp on this guy until it Elway listens

 

[Draft Crazy]

With what money?

 

[cdumler7]

With what money?

How much do you expect Lamar Miller to get? I mean he had very close yardage production as that of Hillman this year. He had a higher yards per carry average but with the downgrade of the RB position we are talking $4 million a year at most. My guess is he gets closer to Justin Forsett type money at $3 million a year.

 

[Draft Crazy]

No clue what Miller will get in money. I know that he will get more then Hillman though. I would have to asses needs and what else is out on the market. I was just asking a question. We won't have a lot of cash and Miami is going to want to re-sign Miller.

I think Miller is one of those guys who will get more money then his production because he is a durable RB, young can catch, block and run... He has a lot more upside then Hillman. Hillman is what he is. I think Miller's best days are still ahead. Right now he hasn't done enough to impress me, but stick him on a better team and he's probably a much better RB then his production in Miami.

I can assure you that Miller will get much more attention then Ronnie Hillman around the league when he hits the market.

RB market is usually low to begin with so it is possible we can afford him, but I am going to guess he is off the market before we have our own free agents which will be our top priority all situated.