Antetokounmpo's secret tweet... Al Hortford to Bucks?

[buckalis]

This is semantical, but needs to be pointed out.

The Bucks do not have $62 million in cap space.

Cap holds count against space. They would have to renounce all their players they have holds on to actually claim that cap space.

They will not renounce Brogdon unless they decide not to match a lucrative offer from another team.
They will not renounce Middleton (unless they intend to let him go) because that would cause them to lose his Bird Rights and lose the ability to offer him a 5th year

They could renounce the others I suppose.

They may have $62 million to sign players with, but not $62 million in cap space. There is a difference.

Brogdon will be the first to be resigned,

Bucks will have 62M (possibly 80M if they succeed to dump Snell's and Ilyasova's salaries) of cap space to work with.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

The rumors and whispers I'm reading suggest Al is gonna get paid... 4 years, 100 million... something like that.

I'm sure he gets a good deal but probably declining to help the C's out and get a long term deal

 

[Shanemansj13]

This is semantical, but needs to be pointed out.

The Bucks do not have $62 million in cap space.

Cap holds count against space. They would have to renounce all their players they have holds on to actually claim that cap space.

They will not renounce Brogdon unless they decide not to match a lucrative offer from another team.
They will not renounce Middleton (unless they intend to let him go) because that would cause them to lose his Bird Rights and lose the ability to offer him a 5th year

They could renounce the others I suppose.

They may have $62 million to sign players with, but not $62 million in cap space. There is a difference.

Yep if they do intend to sign Middleton, Mirotic AND Brogdon like many sources have said they would like to do they cannot renounce rights. They will work new deals but those cap holds still count towards the cap until they get their new salaries. So that is $41.46 that is counting towards their cap so even if they were to get rid of those Snell and Ilyasova contracts they would be over $100M bc of those cap holds. They will try to get rid of those 2 contracts simply to stay under the luxury tax which is possible.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Brogdon will be the first to be resigned,

Bucks will have 62M (possibly 80M if they succeed to dump Snell's and Ilyasova's salaries) of cap space to work with.

Nope. You keep saying the same thing but you are wrong...still lolzzz

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Yep if they do intend to sign Middleton, Mirotic AND Brogdon like many sources have said they would like to do they cannot renounce rights. They will work new deals but those cap holds still count towards the cap until they get their new salaries. So that is $41.46 that is counting towards their cap so even if they were to get rid of those Snell and Ilyasova contracts they would be over $100M bc of those cap holds. They will try to get rid of those 2 contracts simply to stay under the luxury tax which is possible.

So again....going back to his first thread I said the Bucks will retain their current core and that's it

 

[Shanemansj13]

So again....going back to his first thread I said the Bucks will retain their current core and that's it

Yep pretty much, they can add role players of the bench or guys that will possibly take less to contend, that's about it.

 

[tlance]

Brogdon will be the first to be resigned,

Bucks will have 62M (possibly 80M if they succeed to dump Snell's and Ilyasova's salaries) of cap space to work with.

If they do resign Brogdon first,

They will have about 40-45 million to spend on the rest

Unless they can unload those bad contracts.

Even then, most of that money is going to Middleton.

The best thing for them to do is to sign Brogdon and Middleton last because their salaries will be far higher than the cap holds. So they might be able to upgrade the roster somewhere else if they take that pathway.

 

[Shanemansj13]

If they do resign Brogdon first,

They will have about 40-45 million to spend on the rest

Unless they can unload those bad contracts.

Even then, most of that money is going to Middleton.

The best thing for them to do is to sign Brogdon and Middleton last because their salaries will be far higher than the cap holds. So they might be able to upgrade the roster somewhere else if they take that pathway.

Yeah that is if they don't plan on bringing back Mirotic and/or Slopez. If they bring back both of those guys they will be looking to get rid of those Snell/Ilyasova contracts even more.
If they don't mind going into the luxury they could add a nice piece/role player.

 

[shopson67]

Horford isn't leaving Boston.

Actually, he is apparently. Talks broke down last night.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Horford isn't leaving Boston.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Following the negotiatiations between the Celtics and Al Hortford falling apart and Al hitting free agency, Giannis posted a secret tweet that the press is linking with Hortford joining the Bucks on a multiyear team friendly deal.

Hordford was a major piece on coach Bud's plans in the 60 win season the Hawks had back in the days.

im going with golden state.

 

[shopson67]

Brogdon will be the first to be resigned,

Bucks will have 62M (possibly 80M if they succeed to dump Snell's and Ilyasova's salaries) of cap space to work with.

Reign it in man, you're out of control. Are you referring to space under the luxury tax? Because the cap is only $109M and Giannis makes $25M on his own. In order to make 80M in cap space, they'd have to cut loose everyone but Giannis, and even then couldn't get to 80m since there is a ~1M cap hold per empty roster spot up to 12.

 

[shopson67]

im going with golden state.

For less money over multiple years than he would've made in one year with Boston? He just turned down $30M. The Warriors have only exceptions and vet min contracts to work with.

 

[Shanemansj13]

For less money over multiple years than he would've made in one year with Boston? He just turned down $30M. The Warriors have only exceptions and vet min contracts to work with.

Yeah he would have to leave A LOT of money on the table. A LOT. He can still take less to be on a contending team but not that much less. He can also go on a non-contending team and probably get in the mid 20's. Pretty positive he wants a long-term deal as well, probably 3 year deal

 

[shopson67]

If they do resign Brogdon first,

They will have about 40-45 million to spend on the rest

Unless they can unload those bad contracts.

Even then, most of that money is going to Middleton.

The best thing for them to do is to sign Brogdon and Middleton last because their salaries will be far higher than the cap holds. So they might be able to upgrade the roster somewhere else if they take that pathway.

Don't assume his numbers are right. If they do Brogdon first, they are limited to resigning their own players until they start renouncing contracts (Hill) and cap holds (notably Mirotic, Middleton).

 

[shopson67]

Yeah he would have to leave A LOT of money on the table. A LOT. He can still take less to be on a contending team but not that much less. He can also go on a non-contending team and probably get in the mid 20's. Pretty positive he wants a long-term deal as well, probably 3 year deal

I can see him taking less per year on a longer deal, like 3/60M.

 

[flyerhawk]

The rumors and whispers I'm reading suggest Al is gonna get paid... 4 years, 100 million... something like that.

Someone pays him that contract, he needs to give his agent a huge bonus.

 

[CitySushi]

For less money over multiple years than he would've made in one year with Boston? He just turned down $30M. The Warriors have only exceptions and vet min contracts to work with.

Stop trying to use logic in this thread. It completely derails the content. Thanks.

 

[Rock Strongo]

For less money over multiple years than he would've made in one year with Boston? He just turned down $30M. The Warriors have only exceptions and vet min contracts to work with.

wont they have an injury exception? 2 guys went down.

 

[buckalis]

If they do resign Brogdon first,

They will have about 40-45 million to spend on the rest

Unless they can unload those bad contracts.

Even then, most of that money is going to Middleton.

The best thing for them to do is to sign Brogdon and Middleton last because their salaries will be far higher than the cap holds. So they might be able to upgrade the roster somewhere else if they take that pathway.

Brogdon will obviously give the lesser discount, because he was on an unfair rookie salary up to now... but still his salary for next season will be less than 15M.
The Bucks will resign everybody (Mirotic too) even if they fail to dump Snell's and Ilyasova's contracts and it means going (temporarily) above the lux tax... They'll then dump the exessive salary on trades.

If the Bucks will get Horford out of free agency, they may not resign Lopez.