Another great game by Alex

[Flyingiguana]

Don't bother. Widow will try erect any and every excuse to pimp Smith - and that includes undermining our other players.

hey i was right about smith being the best option for this season. you just come up with any excuse to bash smith, its pathetic.

crabtree has talent to be a solid #2, but he's not putting in the effort to realize his talent and it's showing on the field.

 

[Flyingiguana]

i've watched a couple packers games this year, maybe 3 and i didn't see an issue with dropped balls.

i have however seen crabtree and delanie drop countless passes

 

[Crimsoncrew]

i've watched a couple packers games this year, maybe 3 and i didn't see an issue with dropped balls.

i have however seen crabtree and delanie drop countless passes

Jones and Nelson are both KNOWN for dropping passes. Oh, but you haven't noticed an issue with dropped passes in the three games you've seen. Never mind. Incidentally, if you had only seen Crabtree's three most recent games, you wouldn't think he has a problem with dropped passes.

Btw, another link:

Drop Percentage: Wide Receivers | ProFootballFocus.com

Nelson dropped a higher percentage of balls last season than Crabtree did.

 

[Ray_Dogg]

:boxing: now

 

[threelittleturds]

Crimsoncrew, you have now wandered even further into the land of ridiculous, so please let me make this simple for you:

The following is my comment, the one you responded to, which has led us to this point:

"Storm, I agree with Edwards and Davis; However, Crabtree, today, would not even make the GB squad, he is far too undisciplined. Crabtree with Rodgers would be less effective than Ocho with Brady."

The following are GB's four WR's

#1 Greg Jennings
#2 Jordy Nelson
#3 James Jones
#4 Donald Driver

Which one of these four receivers do you think GB would trade for Crabtree?

There is no chemistry discussion to confuse you, just a straight forward question needing only a straight forward answer.

If you pick any one of those four, then we disagree - case closed.

On the other hand,

If you choose none of the above, then we agree - case closed.

I imagine they'd happily trade Donald Driver for Crabtree. I'm not even sure if he'll crack 300 yards receiving this season, if he doesn't retire, they'll cut him for sure.

 

[mem49er]

I imagine they'd happily trade Donald Driver for Crabtree. I'm not even sure if he'll crack 300 yards receiving this season, if he doesn't retire, they'll cut him for sure.

While I agree with this, it's rather pathetic and depressing to me that our #10 overall pick is bandied about as trade fodder for a possession receiver in his twilight season. It's up to Crabby to prove that this is a ridiculous supposition.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

While I agree with this, it's rather pathetic and depressing to me that our #10 overall pick is bandied about as trade fodder for a possession receiver in his twilight season. It's up to Crabby to prove that this is a ridiculous supposition.

They'd trade Driver for Crabtree in a heartbeat. There's a good chance they'd take Crabtree over Jones, and a pretty decent one they'd take him over Nelson. But Driver is obvious and the only one that's necessary to respond to MW's proposition. Though apparently MW would take Driver and his 125 yards for the league's most prolific passing game over Crabtree.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

:boxing: now

Sorry Ray. I don't see any group hugs in our future.

 

[Ray_Dogg]

 

[Mozart'sGhost]

Sorry Ray. I don't see any group hugs in our future.

No worries Crimson. You and MW49ers are two of my favorite posters to read on this board. Who cares if you don't agree.

 

[Flyingiguana]

with crabtree the better the throw the more likely he drops it. he either snags the ball out of the air or it hits him in the numbers and bounces into the air. he looked a lot better catching the ball in college. i still think its a practice issue. jerry rice didn't become the wr he was by skipping training camp

 

[clyde_carbon]

hey i was right about smith being the best option for this season. you just come up with any excuse to bash smith, its pathetic.

crabtree has talent to be a solid #2, but he's not putting in the effort to realize his talent and it's showing on the field.

I agree that Crabtree is, at best, a #2 guy in the NFL. But it's obvious what you're trying to do here.

If only you defended Crabtree as much as you try to defend Smith.

 

[Flyingiguana]

smith has shown progress, if norv stays smith doesn't wreck his arm and who knows how his career plays out. then u have crabtree who wanted that big contract yet he hasn't performed. i just have problems with players who only care about picking up a paycheck. we need crabtree to put in the effort on a weekly basis, especially now that morgan is out.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

smith has shown progress, if norv stays smith doesn't wreck his arm and who knows how his career plays out. then u have crabtree who wanted that big contract yet he hasn't performed. i just have problems with players who only care about picking up a paycheck. we need crabtree to put in the effort on a weekly basis, especially now that morgan is out.

Crabtree did hold out in his rookie year. So did Justin Smith. At what point do you just get over it and judge a guy by his performance? As for putting in the effort, all signs lately indicate that Crabtree is doing so. He has been putting forth great effort as a blocker. He has clearly become our go-to receiver (though it will be interesting to see if that changes as Edwards gets healthy and back into the swing of things). He has repeatedly gone up for high balls, putting himself at risk of big hits. And he hasn't had a blatant drop in several weeks. It's not like he's sitting on his ass collecting a paycheck, and any insinuation that he is doing so is simply disingenuous.

I'm disappointed with what Crabtree has done to date in the NFL. He clearly isn't close to meeting the expectations when we used such a high pick on him. But all this "not yet a solid #2 receiver" talk is just ridiculous.

 

[Flyingiguana]

every year he dodges camp. poor route running and the number of drops he's had (he had like velcro paws in college) signal to me he's not taking things serious enough. maybe he believed his own hype from college and if he changes and pulls his socks up then great.

i've been extremely disappointed with the play of both crabtree and staley. i'm hoping they both turn it on in the 2nd half of the year.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

every year he dodges camp. poor route running and the number of drops he's had (he had like velcro paws in college) signal to me he's not taking things serious enough. maybe he believed his own hype from college and if he changes and pulls his socks up then great.

i've been extremely disappointed with the play of both crabtree and staley. i'm hoping they both turn it on in the 2nd half of the year.

I'm not sure it's fair to say he dodged camp this year. He clearly did injure himself. Last year was much more dubious, but he did participate in most of camp; he didn't play in the preseason games.

Crabtree had three or four bad drops early in the year as he returned from a fairly lengthy injury, but he's really cleaned that up recently. He also makes catches our other WRs - except Edwards, perhaps - have not made.

People comment on his route running, but if he's not fast (pretty much universal agreement he's not), how is he getting open on a consistent basis if he's running bad routes? I'm not talking about getting a half-step on a guy or a breakdown in coverage. I'm talking about getting really, legitimately open against legit NFL corners. I'll admit, assessing WR routes might be the weakest part of my football knowledge, and you rarely see a route play out when the ball doesn't go their way (even then, I'd say only one in three or four replays show the WR's entire route), but I've seen Crabtree put some nice moves on some pretty good CBs this year. Maybe he makes good use of head fakes or jukes in a manner that you wouldn't necessarily term "route running," but to me that is just semantics. Crabtree has been getting open lately, even though he is our go-to receiver and draws much of the D's attention, and that's the primary goal regardless of how he accomplishes it.

 

[Flyingiguana]

watch how crabtree pulls up before the 1st down marker. it could just be he was injured, but he seems like another rashaun woods to me. sloppy mistakes and every year is another excuse to not show up. didn't vernon davis get in his face last year? work ethic...he needs some of it

 

[Crimsoncrew]

watch how crabtree pulls up before the 1st down marker. it could just be he was injured, but he seems like another rashaun woods to me. sloppy mistakes and every year is another excuse to not show up. didn't vernon davis get in his face last year? work ethic...he needs some of it

Once this season he pulled up before the first down marker. The next week, he was pointedly fighting to get past the marker as if his coach had spoken to him about it and he was trying to correct the mistake.

How exactly does Davis getting in his face last year bear on his work ethic this year? Or should we judge our entire team on what happened last year?

Btw, way to address the points I made rather than changing the subject.

 

[southbaysportsfan]

Harbaugh said Alex is elite! Just like this thread, we are all(including harbaugh) entitled to our own opinion and each measure success differently.

 

[clyde_carbon]

Harbaugh said Alex is elite! Just like this thread, we are all(including harbaugh) entitled to our own opinion and each measure success differently.

I'd like to see Harbaugh not say that.

"Hey, my QB is okay, not elite".

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