Series Thread: Angels @ M's: June 16th - 19th

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royals 2020 1st pitch takin...hancock 2nd...yeah right trade value

4. Royals: Asa Lacy, LHP, Texas A&M
After taking three college pitchers in the first round in 2018 (Brady Singer, Jackson Kowar and Daniel Lynch), the Royals get another one here with Lacy. They didn’t necessarily know he would be available at No. 4, but they were glad to take a lefty who has three plus pitches at times in a heavy 92-97 mph fastball, an improved slider and a devastating changeup. Kansas City’s rotation of the future should be fun to watch. More >

6. Mariners: Emerson Hancock, RHP, Georgia
Hancock entered the year as MLB Pipeline’s top-rated prospect, and I don’t think the Mariners would have believed it had they been told he'd be available at No. 6. He combines stuff and polish as well as any pitcher in this Draft, and I see a lot of similarities between him and Casey Mize, who went No. 1 overall to the Tigers in 2018. He commands a fastball that reaches 99 mph, and he flashes three plus secondary pitches. He has frontline starter written all over him. More >

10. Angels: Reid Detmers, LHP, Louisville
The Angels get the most polished pitcher in the entire Draft with Detmers. He reminds me a lot of another former Louisville star, Rays southpaw Brendan McKay, with the way their fastballs play up because of their advanced command, and with the way they can make batters look bad with their curveballs. Detmers’ floor is very high, as he’s a great bet to be at least a No. 3 starter and could potentially headline a rotation. More >
11. White Sox: Garrett Crochet, LHP, Tennessee
Crochet’s stuff took a big jump in the fall, when he hit 100 mph with his fastball, showed an improved slider and flashed a well-above-average changeup as well. Mild shoulder soreness led Tennessee to hold him out of the season’s first three weeks as a precaution, but he showed the same stuff in his lone outing of the spring before the season was cut short due to the coronavirus pandemic. If he had a full season to perform, he doesn’t last 11 picks in this Draft. More >

lacy at AA..shooting 4.plus..

Season	Team	LG	Level	W	L	ERA	G	GS	CG	SHO	HLD	SV	SVO	IP	H	R	ER	HR	NP	HB	BB	IBB	SO	AVG	WHIP	GO/AO
2021	QC	MID	A+	2	5	5.19	14	14	0	0	0	0	0	52.0	41	31	30	5	983	8	41	0	79	.222	1.58	0.66
2022	2 teams	-	Minors	0	1	4.73	4	4	0	0	0	0	0	13.1	9	9	7	2	209	4	10	0	16	.180	1.43	1.08
2022	ROY	ACL	ROK	0	0	4.91	2	2	0	0	0	0	0	3.2	3	3	2	1	45	2	5	0	3	.214	2.18	1.67
2022	NWA	TEX	AA	0	1	4.66	2	2	0	0	0	0	0	9.2	6	6	5	1	164	2	5	0	13	.167	1.14	0.89

hancock..same except..he shoots a 2.45

2021	2 teams	-	Minors	3	1	2.62	12	12	0	0	0	0	0	44.2	29	17	13	1	736	2	17	0	43	.184	1.03	1.15
2022	ARK	TEX	AA	1	2	2.45	6	6	0	0	0	0	0	22.0	15	11	6	4	350	0	6	0	21	.185	0.95	0.59

lacy an 15 to 18.3...
hancock....a 6.6...to..7.9..no trade values....say it at so ...,geranamo

 

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Garrett Crochet #45​

Season	Team	LG	W	L	ERA	G	GS	CG	SHO	HLD	SV	SVO	IP	H	R	ER	HR	NP	HB	BB	IBB	SO	AVG	WHIP	GO/AO
2020	CWS	AL	0	0	0.00	5	0	0	0	1	0	0	6.0	3	0	0	0	85	1	0	0	8	.143	0.50	1.00
2021	CWS	AL	3	5	2.82	54	0	0	0	14	0	1	54.1	42	22	17	2	915	1	27	2	65	.213	1.27	0.71itch drafted

but they not dis ing him...noooo..hes a 22

Crochet

23

Majors

LHRP

Very low

4.7

27.9

5.5

22.3

17.9

22.3

26.8

 

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if ya think the mariners are not ...sat...on...think again...

Hancock entered the year as MLB Pipeline’s top-rated prospect, and I don’t think the Mariners would have believed it had they been told he'd be available

 

[WizardHawk]

Well they can’t be buyers and can’t stay status quo so defacto they have to be sellers. Which sellers means is essentially Marco. The 3 main guys who would be the great guys to deal are Haniger, Murphy and Lewis but it is impossible to get anything for them.

So you think they have to trade off what little talent they do have to get more prospects they have already shown they can't develop.

Clearly that doesn't work with this team.

They need more MLB ready bats and they need several of them

 

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Reid Detmers #48 angels​

Season	Team	LG	W	L	ERA	G	GS	CG	SHO	HLD	SV	SVO	IP	H	R	ER	HR	NP	HB	BB	IBB	SO	AVG	WHIP	GO/AO
2021	LAA	AL	1	3	7.40	5	5	0	0	0	0	0	20.2	26	17	17	5	379	2	11	1	19	.295	1.79	0.59
2022	LAA	AL	2	3	4.25	11	11	1	1	0	0	0	53.0	38	25	25	9	872	3	19	0	38	.198	1.08	0.75

 

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So you think they have to trade off what little talent they do have to get more prospects they have already shown they can't develop.

Clearly that doesn't work with this team.

They need more MLB ready bats and they need several of them

im not saying they should..im saying they could...and maybe still be ok...

lets say..it not hancock...but cambell..or stoubt...not the 6th pick...and not miller...then what...thats all..im saying...

i dont think anyone could replace haniger..except RF..wash

here is a couple bats

Juan Soto 22

Nelson Cruz 23

 

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Juan Soto

23

RF

Arb 2

3

$17,100,000

-

$17,100,000

$17,100,000

13.21

17,100,000

Nelson Cruz

41

DH

Vet

$12,000,000

-

$12,000,000

$12,000,000

9.27

15,000,000

works for me plus kelly (catcharizona)and pinder(oakland)..with lewis coming

prob would have to send haniger..with a couple pitchers

 

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NATIONALS

Juan Soto​

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• Contract Details
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  $33.5MAVG. ANNUAL SALARY
  

  Market Value​

  • 15 yrs, $503,740,455
  • Avg. Salary: $33,582,697
  • MLB Rank: 8
  • RF Rank: 1

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  • Free Agent: 2025
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  • MLB Rank: 137
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  AVERAGES	10.5	$325,375,000	$30,988,095	27
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  Mike Trout	12	$426,500,000	$35,541,667	27
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  Manny Machado	10	$300,000,000	$30,000,000	26
  Bryce Harper	13	$330,000,000	$25,384,615	26

 

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ha ha ha..aint no one worth this,,...money yeah...i would have to tradeall...the mariners.........whatever

Soto

23

Majors

OF

Very low

2.7

249.2

75.6

173.6

156.2

190.9

225.6

cruz not so bad -1.1..

Cruz

41

Majors

DH

Medium

0.6

9.1

10.2

-1.1

-2.2

-1.1

 

[WizardHawk]

And I don't buy that they couldn't move wanker or Frazier either.

You don't think any NL GMs might believe
put them back in the NL with a team that can actually hit so they don't feel every at bat like they have to go yard that they will go back to their normal stats?

Nothing should be off the table, but they really can't afford to let any ML ready pieces go as that is what they already don't have. They need more at the trade deadline this year, they need more in the off season, and at every possibility.

This club is the most talent voided organization I've ever seen.

 

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flores wasdoeing good earler..know he is down a bit like frazier...but only 38 strike outs...flores is the style i like..playes more than 3b WilmerFlores 3B	SF	61	220	33	52	12	0	8	35	21	38	0	0	.236	.313	.400	.713

has not done that well this year a strike out king

RyanMcMahon 3B	COL	65	229	28	54	12	2	5	33	31	73	0	2	.236	.333	.371	.704

 

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but im starting to think there are not any ..trades for middle order guys...so..mariners will have to lump it...

i guess...they dont do well in free agents....so im lost..on possables

 

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if there are no good trades..then time to act like tampa bay....oohh well.

its not about buying or selling...its about making the team better...so no good ones..
nothing is ok..........
if we have to wait till next year..kilenic and ellis and toro.....well do to start...so..nothing

 

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my guys

Zach Morgan

Fresno State

C

.381

.454

.592

1.046

55

218

47

83

20

1

8

41

6

25

17

2

1

Caleb Ricketts

San Diego

C

.373

.423

.658

1.081

56

228

46

85

13

2

16

55

8

14

29

0

4

onnor Charping

Western Michigan

C

.348

.440

.483

.923

53

207

57

72

17

1

3

23

13

22

20

26

6

 

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anyone with a 700 or 800 slg

Max Wagner

Clemson

3B

.369

.496

.852

1.348

58

203

66

75

15

1

27

76

8

45

51

2

1

Tayler Aguilar

Grand Canyon

RF

.326

.397

.719

1.116

59

224

46

73

13

3

23

75

6

23

49

2

1

carlos Contreras

Sam Houston

LF

.400

.468

.713

1.181

56

230

54

92

18

6

14

89

5

27

28

2

0

he made the real list of dont strike out...when i thought he would not..also 70 rbis

drew Gilbert

Tennessee

CF

.362

.455

.673

1.128

58

199

60

72

21

4

11

70

6

33

32

4

2

Brett Johnson

SIU Edwardsville

CF

.350

.452

.765

1.217

55

217

61

76

13

4

23

63

11

32

42

6

1

 

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Max Wagner..fld 922..that is bad

Clemson

 

[MarinersBestFan]

This club is the most talent voided organization I've ever seen.

And the biggest under-performers

In before the sure to come 6-9 game losing streak

 

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tampa went through..a couple years...when they just could not get over the hump...san diego as well...but they have more luck signing free agents

seatte seemingly has no ..luck at it

 

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tampa went through..a couple years...when they just could not get over the hump...san diego as well...but they have more luck signing free agents

seatte seemingly has no ..luck at it...but thay did sign ray...which is good..no matter and what some think..

and gonzales was in a funk..

.ok it

happens...to pitchers...does not mean they need traded...but it does mean ya need cover guys..

which..if the mariners..do nothing..they will have....

dollard
stoubt
miller
brash

the next starter..hancock....that is a good line up..of fill guys...plus
Nick Margevicius 50..if he ever gets ready..the 5th or 6th guy...there has to be a reason...jedi has not dropped...him lets learn why

Isaiah Campbell 17..has been injured a lot which has put him..in the back of this wave...of guys

still all these guys........matter much.........for the mariners

this is a break point of the 1st wave..i think....yes its true...and they did not consintrat,,,on hitting as much...yes ithink that is true as well
but we can see where a 5 player draft...has hurt them at this point...

but they should in this draft...but that does not mean thet will not be on pitchers as well...

i hope they consintrat on strike outs from both directions...and all through the org...

 

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what is an addition to this..is how lewis and haniger go..so goes the mariners..??....and you can add kilinec in there


you dont want it to be true..but is..

its bit like a soap opera..


but haniger and lewis are out..and haniger may not be back...that is reality

..haniger is a top 5RF..i would say...that it is almost imposable to replace...as per my soto eval...yesterday

such it is as it is.....or whatever or however...

you could sign conforto..for next year...that is true...but conforo...as far as we know..has passed his prime..we dont know that for sure

conforto is a home town feel good guy...and can..has been..and may still be the guy...

but haniger...is the .........hisnit..

if ya had both...it would be somthing