Andrew Luck having a day today

[HaroldSeattle]

All those quarterbacks i mentioned(except luck) have won superbowls. But to compare their help to Wilson's is stupid. I actually think seahawk fan's don't give nearly enough credit to their defense or Marshawn.

Those other quarterbacks put up numbers and win as well, playing on bad football teams.

Yes they have all one a SB except Luck. Funny thing is except for Brady, Wilson has won as many as any of them. You might notice that these so called great QBs have a lot of years in the NFL yet only won once, but I sure these teflon type QBs will get none of the blame, it's not their fault...it's the crappy team they play for, those interceptions were caused because they had to make something happen...right?

 

[sonnyblack65]

Your bringing up one playoff game where Wilson thououghly outplayed Manning. I'm talking about a body of work.

And I knew you would bring up 3/7. Manning played the top 3 defenses in the NFL that postseason. That was the first and only time in Manning's career that his defense actually helped him in the postseason and didn't totally suck. He single handily brought his team back in the afc title game that year as well.

Desean you might be too young to remember the game but Pats were up 21-3 and scored but called back. Caldwell dropped 3 easy ducks 1 in endzone and 1 at 8 yard line with nobody behind hime. One catch and game is over and he never sniffs a SB ring, Its history but those are facts and watch the game gain. You cant have the best or 2nd best record and go 8 1 and dones sorry

 

[SonnyCID]

Ty Hilton is a talented receiver corp?

More like one talented receiver.

And Luck has made many critical turnovers that are the product of both boneheaded decision making and forcing the issue, because he has to force the issue. If he's anything less than great though his team loses. That puts a lot of pressure, especially on a young quarterback and causes him to make some terrible decisions.

Most of Lucks turnovers come in the first half, but they're all because he has to "force the issue"?

:rollseyes:

 

[sonnyblack65]

Yes they have all one a SB except Luck. Funny thing is except for Brady, Wilson has won as many as any of them. You might notice that these so called great QBs have a lot of years in the NFL yet only won once, but I sure these teflon type QBs will get none of the blame, it's not their fault...it's the crappy team they play for, those interceptions were caused because they had to make something happen...right?

Harold both Luck and manning have thrown 27 int in a season. Wilson hasnt' thrown that many in 3 years, guys like the 24/55 385 2 td /3int stats Wow almost 400 yards when down 3-4 score junk yards

 

[sonnyblack65]

Ty Hilton is a talented receiver corp?

More like one talented receiver.

And Luck has made many critical turnovers that are the product of both boneheaded decision making and forcing the issue, because he has to force the issue. If he's anything less than great though his team loses. That puts a lot of pressure, especially on a young quarterback and causes him to make some terrible decisions.

Wayne ? HOFer

 

[Desean12345]

Desean you might be too young to remember the game but Pats were up 21-3 and scored but called back. Caldwell dropped 3 easy ducks 1 in endzone and 1 at 8 yard line with nobody behind hime. One catch and game is over and he never sniffs a SB ring, Its history but those are facts and watch the game gain. You cant have the best or 2nd best record and go 8 1 and dones sorry

I remember that game very well and no i was not to young. Yes Peyton got breaks in that game but he took advantage of them. My point is that those kinds of breaks have been few and far between in Manning's career but it happens to every quarterback sometimes.

Do you want me to break the long, long list of lucky breaks that Tom Brady has had?

 

[sonnyblack65]

I remember that game very well and no i was not to young. Yes Peyton got breaks in that game but he took advantage of them. My point is that those kinds of breaks have been few and far between in Manning's career but it happens to every quarterback sometimes.

Do you want me to break the long, long list of lucky breaks that Tom Brady has had?

Sure

 

[Desean12345]

Wayne ? HOFer

Reggie Wayne played 7 games last year and didn't play in any of the playoff games for the colts last year.

Reggie Wayne is a corpse this season.

 

[SonnyCID]

Ty Hilton is a talented receiver corp?

More like one talented receiver.

And Luck has made many critical turnovers that are the product of both boneheaded decision making and forcing the issue, because he has to force the issue. If he's anything less than great though his team loses. That puts a lot of pressure, especially on a young quarterback and causes him to make some terrible decisions.

Hilton, Wayne, Allen or Fleener... If any one of those guys were in Seattle, they would probably be the best receiving option.

 

[sonnyblack65]

How many HOFers on offense besides Moss that he had for 2 years. Wish we had Faulk , Edge, Harrison and Wayne. Gronk might be if he stays healthy. Wilson has 0 and I doubt Lynch gets in

 

[gohusk]

Russell Wilson is blessed with having an elite running back and an all time great defense. Kudos to Wilson for realizing this and not making any high risk plays to put his team in jeopardy.

Not every quarterback has that luxury.

Gimme a break. Lynch is having what's a pretty solid year by his standards but he isn't blowing anybody away. It's easy to look at the rushing yard totals and say "gee, well he's got a great run game going for him" but that glosses over the fact that he's #15 in the league in rushing right now and having someone dedicated to shadowing him helps Lynch out. It's a symbiotic relationship.

 

[sonnyblack65]

Hilton, Wayne, Allen or Fleener... If any one of those guys were in Seattle, they would probably be the best receiving option.

or imagine Ju Thomas DeM Thomas Sanders and Welker in Seattle. Go undeated no doubt, Tebow had same playoff record in Denver w/o Sanders and Welker,Ware,Talib,Ward, Miller and Harris

 

[Desean12345]

Hilton, Wayne, Allen or Fleener... If any one of those guys were in Seattle, they would probably be the best receiving option.

Have you watched Reggie Wayne this year. Doug Baldwin is much better than Wayne at this stage of his career.

Dwayne Allen and Coby fleener are much improved this year over the past couple seasons. I won't deny that. But Doug Baldwin is better than any other colts receiver other than T.y

 

[HaroldSeattle]

It's always the same story...it's not their fault...the team is crap.

 

[sonnyblack65]

Reggie Wayne played 7 games last year and didn't play in any of the playoff games for the colts last year.

Reggie Wayne is a corpse this season.

Deion Branch, Welker and now Edelman as no#1 and Seattle lost Tate and Harvin no#1 is?

 

[Desean12345]

Gimme a break. Lynch is having what's a pretty solid year by his standards but he isn't blowing anybody away. It's easy to look at the rushing yard totals and say "gee, well he's got a great run game going for him" but that glosses over the fact that he's #15 in the league in rushing right now and having someone dedicated to shadowing him helps Lynch out. It's a symbiotic relationship.

Well we know Marshawn was a great running back before Wilson ever got there. It's not exactly symbiotic. Wilson has helped Marshawn a little but nearly as much as Marshawn has helped Wilson.

 

[sonnyblack65]

It's always the same story...it's not their fault...the team is crap.

Of course Favre and Manning best ever and Luck will be. Malone, Barkley and Lebron

 

[sonnyblack65]

Well we know Marshawn was a great running back before Wilson ever got there. It's not exactly symbiotic. Wilson has helped Marshawn a little but nearly as much as Marshawn has helped Wilson.

great? now u smoking in shower

 

[SonnyCID]

or imagine Ju Thomas DeM Thomas Sanders and Welker in Seattle. Go undeated no doubt, Tebow had same playoff record in Denver w/o Sanders and Welker,Ware,Talib,Ward, Miller and Harris

I'm hoping some of these young receivers in Seattle develop(Willson, Richardson, Norwood). Though if they get too good, then the narrative will turn to "Wilson only puts up good numbers and wins because he has good receivers."

 

[Desean12345]

It's always the same story...it's not their fault...the team is crap.

Luck has no offensive line, no running game and no defense. The Colts aren't a good football team by any stretch of the imagination.