Amari Cooper

[handicappers]

It’s absolutely true. I don’t even know how you could disagree??

STFU and stay off the Dallas board.

 

[jarntt]

Floyd Pork Chop Womack was a 4rth round pick. Ha. I think you mean Chance Warmack- the supposed cant miss guard out of Alabama.

Correct. Point is that draft picks (even 1st rounders) are not always a guarantee.

 

[jarntt]

 

[jarntt]

Interesting stat in that video. Cooper is the same age as Calvin Ridley.

 

[cowboycolors]

well my opinion is just that a opinion
We gave up 2 much Jerry still has not learned you don’t give up number 1 picks
Copper might work out but he is not a match for our QB
Dak is not a pocket passer unless protection is perfect he is a
RO QB and Jason’s offense is not geared to him
We gave up a 1 for a 1 1/2 season tryout in Cooper before he gets paid losing out on 3 1/2 seasons of player X in his place.
I can understand the trade logic if your giving your QB what you think is all the weapons he needs minus TE to see is 2016 was a fluke and see what happens
But that means Jerry has decided if Jason can’t fix it with this he is done
If that’s the case and it cost us a 1st to finally push Garrett out the door the cost is worth it but only if Garrett is gone because this don’t work out.
JMHO

 

[tomodach10]

I agree with you. There are no WR's projected in the top 15-20 of the early mocks I have seen. There is no question that after leaving Calvin Ridley on the board this year, they were going to have to go after a WR next early in the draft. If they felt Cooper is better than anything they might have gotten at WR in the draft, then this is a solid move.
My biggest take from this trade...No more excuses for Dak, I don't want to ever hear them again. Tyron Smith, Zach Martin, Zeke Elliott, Cole Beasley, Amari Cooper, and a top 5 defense. Give that to any of the top 15-20 QB's in the league and they be ecstatic. Does Aaron Rodgers have anything like that around him? Does Brady? Aside from Mahomes and Goff, really, who does?

You are on point with this! No more excuses.

 

[es4m11]

Not true at all. This is bad analysis and you clearly haven’t done any research.

Oh really? Wrong again, Earl. Dude, do you even double check your nonsense before posting? It's pretty obvious you don't. And you're saying I haven't done the research ...

Brandin Cooks three prior seasons leading up to the first trade...
2014: 10 Games, 53 catches, 553 yards, 10.4 ypc, 3 TD, 76.8% catch
2015: 16 G, 84 catches, 1138 yards, 13.5 ypc, 9 TD, 65% catch
2016: 16 G, 78 catches, 1173 yards, 15.0 ypc, 8 TD, 67% catch

Cooks last season prior to his second trade...
2017: 16 G, 65 catches, 1082 yards, 16.6 ypc, 7 TD, 57% catch

Cooks so far in 2018 through 7 games is on pace for...
2018: 73 catches, 1300 yards, 17.8 ypc, 5 TD, 73% catch

That's pretty damn solid and consistent production, especially considering 2017 and 2018 were/are Cooks' first year in new offenses.

Amari Cooper last 3 full seasons prior to yesterday's trade...
2015: 16 G, 72 catches, 1072 yards, 14.9 ypc, 6 TD, 55% catch
2016: 16 G, 83 catches, 1183 yards, 13.9 ypc, 5 TD, 63% catch
2017: 14 G, 48 ctaches, 680 yards, 14.2 ypc, 7 TD, 50% catch

Amari Cooper far in 2018 through 6 games is on pace for...
2018: 59 catches, 747 yards, 12.7 ypc, 3 TD, 69% catch

Between Cooper's 2017 season and 2018 season (so far) there is clearly a decline from his first two seasons. Same Quarterback, a lot more drops.

Meanwhile, Cooks is who he is, there is not much guess work with him, teams know what they are going to get with him. On the other hand, who knows which direction Cooper is going to head from here?

 

[Sir Robin Of Camelot]

A lot of Bama players have trouble in the NFL.

True - but the ones on the Redskins defensive line didn't seem to be having too much trouble last Sunday.

 

[ROMOTOOWENS]

I’ve been looking for his reaction to the Washington game.

 

[ROMOTOOWENS]

True - but the ones on the Redskins defensive line didn't seem to be having too much trouble last Sunday.

That’s the truth. Those guys were awesome Sunday.

 

[ArlingtonCowboys100]

I remember the Galloway and Williams trades. If Cooper returns to what he was his 1st two seasons then this is a good trade. I think we were going to target a wr in the 1st round in the next draft. So far no receivers have emerged that excite me. So we gave up less draft capital here.

Cooper will need to be game planned for drops and all. Wish we would have done this trade weeks ago. Cooper and gallup with bease in the slot looks better to me than how we started the season. Cooper could help the running game as he has good speed and runs decent routes

 

[ArlingtonCowboys100]

I agree with you. There are no WR's projected in the top 15-20 of the early mocks I have seen. There is no question that after leaving Calvin Ridley on the board this year, they were going to have to go after a WR next early in the draft. If they felt Cooper is better than anything they might have gotten at WR in the draft, then this is a solid move.
My biggest take from this trade...No more excuses for Dak, I don't want to ever hear them again. Tyron Smith, Zach Martin, Zeke Elliott, Cole Beasley, Amari Cooper, and a top 5 defense. Give that to any of the top 15-20 QB's in the league and they be ecstatic. Does Aaron Rodgers have anything like that around him? Does Brady? Aside from Mahomes and Goff, really, who does?

I think Cooper is a legit #1. We got him at a younger age than the previous trades we made for Galloway and Williams and gave up less in draft picks. Cooper will get separation down the field. Cooper fits the garret right kind of guy thing as well. This move was really made for now and the future. I do not hate this trade like I did the previous two trades

 

[tomodach10]

That’s the truth. Those guys were awesome Sunday.

Well when you draft 100 of them, you should hit on some. I still think more bust then boom.

 

[Eiknarflin]

My guess on this acquisition is that Jerry has given JG an ultimatum - make it to the NFC Championship game or pack your things. Garrett then responds by saying, "Allow me to pick up a #1 WR so that my offense isn't hamstrung." Jerry acquiesced for the hope of getting there.

To me, this trade wreaks of desperation. I hope I'm wrong, and I'm willing to give AC a "wait and see and hope for the best," but my gut tells me this is Garrett's last ditch effort to save his lack-luster career, because no team is going to hire him for anything other than head cheer-leader at this point.

Maybe he has a future in that new football league as a color commentator.

 

[Andresrenee]

Great posts on this thread. Yes - maybe we got a little better this year but Cooper was having issues. He was in decline. We gave up a 1 for a year and half rental of someone we may or may not want to sign long term. We gave up too much - yes, but if it helps us see that Garrett or Dak may not be the future then perhaps a good trade. We already know our GM is not going anywhere so we are stuck there.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Oh really? Wrong again, Earl. Dude, do you even double check your nonsense before posting? It's pretty obvious you don't. And you're saying I haven't done the research ...

Brandin Cooks three prior seasons leading up to the first trade...
2014: 10 Games, 53 catches, 553 yards, 10.4 ypc, 3 TD, 76.8% catch
2015: 16 G, 84 catches, 1138 yards, 13.5 ypc, 9 TD, 65% catch
2016: 16 G, 78 catches, 1173 yards, 15.0 ypc, 8 TD, 67% catch

Cooks last season prior to his second trade...
2017: 16 G, 65 catches, 1082 yards, 16.6 ypc, 7 TD, 57% catch

Cooks so far in 2018 through 7 games is on pace for...
2018: 73 catches, 1300 yards, 17.8 ypc, 5 TD, 73% catch

That's pretty damn solid and consistent production, especially considering 2017 and 2018 were/are Cooks' first year in new offenses.

Amari Cooper last 3 full seasons prior to yesterday's trade...
2015: 16 G, 72 catches, 1072 yards, 14.9 ypc, 6 TD, 55% catch
2016: 16 G, 83 catches, 1183 yards, 13.9 ypc, 5 TD, 63% catch
2017: 14 G, 48 ctaches, 680 yards, 14.2 ypc, 7 TD, 50% catch

Amari Cooper far in 2018 through 6 games is on pace for...
2018: 59 catches, 747 yards, 12.7 ypc, 3 TD, 69% catch

Between Cooper's 2017 season and 2018 season (so far) there is clearly a decline from his first two seasons. Same Quarterback, a lot more drops.

Meanwhile, Cooks is who he is, there is not much guess work with him, teams know what they are going to get with him. On the other hand, who knows which direction Cooper is going to head from here?

 

[UK Cowboy]

The one thing I'll disagree with some folks on is Cooper being in decline. He's 24. 24 year olds don't decline. He's been in a dumpster fire situation.
At 29, Randy Moss was in "decline", had just posted 553 yards and 3 TDs in Oakland...the next year, at 30 with the Patriots, he posted 1493/23. Yeah, I know, Tom Brady. Doesn't change the fact that everyone at the time was saying he was washed up. He doesn't have TB here, but with Zeke in the backfield, he's gonna see a whole lot of man coverage, which he wasn't facing with the Raiders

 

[es4m11]

The one thing I'll disagree with some folks on is Cooper being in decline. He's 24. 24 year olds don't decline. He's been in a dumpster fire situation.

For starters, we are not talking about Randy Moss here. Amari Cooper is not one of the 3 best WRs to ever play, so the comparison is invalid. I get what you are saying, but I might have chosen a different example.

Still, in fact, a 24 year old WR has declined from his peak. Saying that he hasn't is a semantic argument with not a lot of ground to stand on. No one, well at least not me, is arguing that Cooper can't pick it back up at 24 years old, but he has indeed fallen off from what he was just a short time ago.

If you think Cooper has been in a dumpster fire situation with Oakland, what do you think he is stepping into with this offense? Yeah, Dallas has Zeke, but Carr is a much better thrower of the football than Dak. And I'm a little doubtful of your clams that Cooper has seen a ton of double teams -- I'll have to watch some film because I don't honestly know off the top of my head.

That said, the post you quoted (attempted to quote), is just an outline of why Cooks was looked at as a better trade than the Cowboys trading for Cooper. Wasn't trying to make the argument that Cooper is washed up, because I don't believe that. I was making the argument that Cooks has been much more consistent and valuable than Cooper.

 

[tomodach10]

For starters, we are not talking about Randy Moss here. Amari Cooper is not one of the 3 best WRs to ever play, so the comparison is invalid. I get what you are saying, but I might have chosen a different example.

Still, in fact, a 24 year old WR has declined from his peak. Saying that he hasn't is a semantic argument with not a lot of ground to stand on. No one, well at least not me, is arguing that Cooper can't pick it back up at 24 years old, but he has indeed fallen off from what he was just a short time ago.

If you think Cooper has been in a dumpster fire situation with Oakland, what do you think he is stepping into with this offense? Yeah, Dallas has Zeke, but Carr is a much better thrower of the football than Dak. And I'm a little doubtful of your clams that Cooper has seen a ton of double teams -- I'll have to watch some film because I don't honestly know off the top of my head.

That said, the post you quoted (attempted to quote), is just an outline of why Cooks was looked at as a better trade than the Cowboys trading for Cooper. Wasn't trying to make the argument that Cooper is washed up, because I don't believe that. I was making the argument that Cooks has been much more consistent and valuable than Cooper.

At 24 declined from his peak. That makes no sense LOL

 

[Schmoopy1000]

The one thing I'll disagree with some folks on is Cooper being in decline. He's 24. 24 year olds don't decline. He's been in a dumpster fire situation.
At 29, Randy Moss was in "decline", had just posted 553 yards and 3 TDs in Oakland...the next year, at 30 with the Patriots, he posted 1493/23. Yeah, I know, Tom Brady. Doesn't change the fact that everyone at the time was saying he was washed up. He doesn't have TB here, but with Zeke in the backfield, he's gonna see a whole lot of man coverage, which he wasn't facing with the Raiders

Decline isnt my concern. It is the case of the dropsies he has learned to have.