All things offseason

[poewelch84]

Yes, much has been made about how little Brown is owed in the final three years of his deal. $38.925 million in three seasons for a truly elite receiver is a bargain but what Brown is owed and the actual cap hit are not the same. According to multiple websites, including Overthecap.com and Spotrac.com, Brown's cap hits in 2019, 2020 and 2021 are $22.165 million, $18.34 million and $19.54 million, respectively. That's a total of more than $60 million.

Wow, so looks like his total contract would apply to our cap hit, even though Pittsburgn actually pays the signing bonus.

from what I understood the 21 million would be on the Steelers cap.

 

[deep9er]

from what I understood the 21 million would be on the Steelers cap.

The Steelers will pay it, but his cap hit still applies to the next team.

 

[poewelch84]

The Steelers will pay it, but his cap hit still applies to the next team.

Not from what I've read that dead money falls on the Steelers cap he as no guaranteed money left on his deal it was front loaded and prorated so that all belongs to the Steelers. You are in fact wrong.

 

[RobertPhD01]

? Maybe Ingram RB Saints in FA?

 

[deep9er]

if the 49ers pay all of Garapollo's signing bonus in year 1 (front loaded), does the cap hit from his signing bonus go away in years 2-5? The answer is no, the signing bonus is pro-rated over 5 years. If the Steelers pay all of AB's signing bonus now, does his cap hit from the signing bonus go away for the rest of his contract? Again, the answer is no.



"There’s also the contract. If traded, the Steelers wipe a million off the books, but the 49ers are saddled with some $15 million+ per year contract for the next three years with bonuses and incentives per Over the Cap."


"Cap space to absorb a Brown contract isn’t an issue for the 49ers, fortunately. But there’s a likely bidding war that would ensue between any plausible Niners deal and others wanting to put Brown in their ranks.



The above are from two different articles, and both says "contract" which to me means base salary, signing bonus, roster bonus, ie everything. The first one even one says "bonuses and incentives". I did read the Steelers will actually pay the signing bonus, but the CONTRACT moves over to his new team. If the CONTRACT moves over to his new team, the new team takes on his cap hit including the signing bonus. The new team doesn't pay the signing bonus, but takes on the cap hit.

So unless you post your back-up showing otherwise, YOU are in fact wrong.

 

[poewelch84]

if the 49ers pay all of Garapollo's signing bonus in year 1 (front loaded), does the cap hit from his signing bonus go away in years 2-5? The answer is no, the signing bonus is pro-rated over 5 years. If the Steelers pay all of AB's signing bonus now, does his cap hit from the signing bonus go away for the rest of his contract? Again, the answer is no.



"There’s also the contract. If traded, the Steelers wipe a million off the books, but the 49ers are saddled with some $15 million+ per year contract for the next three years with bonuses and incentives per Over the Cap."


"Cap space to absorb a Brown contract isn’t an issue for the 49ers, fortunately. But there’s a likely bidding war that would ensue between any plausible Niners deal and others wanting to put Brown in their ranks.



The above are from two different articles, and both says "contract" which to me means base salary, signing bonus, roster bonus, ie everything. The first one even one says "bonuses and incentives". I did read the Steelers will actually pay the signing bonus, but the CONTRACT moves over to his new team. If the CONTRACT moves over to his new team, the new team takes on his cap hit including the signing bonus. The new team doesn't pay the signing bonus, but takes on the cap hit.

So unless you post your back-up showing otherwise, YOU are in fact wrong.

the Steelers only gain One million in cap space by trading him because they are forced to pay the remaining signing bonus.

Can the Steelers trade Antonio Brown's contract? Breaking down pros and cons of a deal in 2019

The dead money counts toward the Steelers cap he still makes a lot of money but that is what it is. Several other articles have stated the same. It makes no sense that the team trading for him would be responsible for it on their cap. I know you don't want the guy but this idea is false.

 

[RobertPhD01]

Probably want Patriots over the Rams!

 

[poewelch84]

Probably want Patriots over the Rams!

Yeah but I live in New England and Pats fans are bad enough to deal with already.

 

[RobertPhD01]

Here ya on the other side of Seattle!

 

[deep9er]

the Steelers only gain One million in cap space by trading him because they are forced to pay the remaining signing bonus.

Can the Steelers trade Antonio Brown's contract? Breaking down pros and cons of a deal in 2019

The dead money counts toward the Steelers cap he still makes a lot of money but that is what it is. Several other articles have stated the same. It makes no sense that the team trading for him would be responsible for it on their cap. I know you don't want the guy but this idea is false.

This article talks about the cap impact to the Steelers, but we're talking about the cap hit to the 49ers? You're posting about the wrong team.

I read this too and already said i know the Steelers will PAY the signing bonus for 2019. But paying off the signing bonus doesn't mean the cap hit goes away. It is like Garapollo and front loading, paying it off early doesn't mean the cap hit goes away.

 

[poewelch84]

This article talks about the cap impact to the Steelers, but we're talking about the cap hit to the 49ers? You're posting about the wrong team.

I read this too and already said i know the Steelers will PAY the signing bonus for 2019. But paying off the signing bonus doesn't mean the cap hit goes away. It is like Garapollo and front loading, paying it off early doesn't mean the cap hit goes away.

No i t doesn't go away but clearly you didn't read because it clearly says that by cutting or trading Brown would count 21 million against cap this year which is a savings of a million dollars for the Steelers on their cap. He makes a large sum of money but the 21 million falls entirely on the Steelers cap which is why a team need to have the money to absorb his salary this season.

 

[deep9er]

Projecting the top-10 most expensive free agents in 2019 | NFL Analysis | Pro Football Focus

IMO the only realistic one we sign, is #9

 

[deep9er]

No i t doesn't go away but clearly you didn't read because it clearly says that by cutting or trading Brown would count 21 million against cap this year which is a savings of a million dollars for the Steelers on their cap. He makes a large sum of money but the 21 million falls entirely on the Steelers cap which is why a team need to have the money to absorb his salary this season.

the question is....what is the cap hit to his new team, ie 49ers? we don't care what happens to the Steelers, except we do know they'll pay it. But PAY and CAP HIT isn't necessarily the same thing? Again, the Steelers not only trade AB but his contract goes with him.

Trade, cut or keep Antonio Brown: Explaining the Steelers' options for 2019 offseason

From this above link is:

What about an Antonio Brown trade?
A trade and a cut are treated identical on the cap unless the player has guaranteed salaries remaining in his contract. Brown has none.

So cut or trade, the cost for Brown is $21.12 million on the cap.

 

[deep9er]

So unless i read something otherwise, AB's cap hit will be applied to the 49ers cap hit in 2019. The 49ers won't pay most of the 2019 compensation, but it'll be applied to the 49ers cap.

From 2020 on, the 49ers would pay all of his compensation, and continue taking all of the cap hit.

 

[poewelch84]

So unless i read something otherwise, AB's cap hit will be applied to the 49ers cap hit in 2019. The 49ers won't pay most of the 2019 compensation, but it'll be applied to the 49ers cap.

From 2020 on, the 49ers would pay all of his compensation, and continue taking all of the cap hit.

You are reading something wrong that completely pertains to the Steelers they have basically the same cap hit regardless of what happens because they still own him guaranteed money that they prorated. His salary increases this year to 21 million I believe it would continue to increase at a smaller rate because the some of his future cap hit is part of the 21 million the Steelers are paying him. That is why I said his cap hit is still high for the 49ers but the way you were talking the 49ers were going to be responsible for the current salary and his dead cap money that the Steelers are paying which would be some 42 million and that is not the case.

 

[deep9er]

You are reading something wrong that completely pertains to the Steelers they have basically the same cap hit regardless of what happens because they still own him guaranteed money that they prorated. His salary increases this year to 21 million I believe it would continue to increase at a smaller rate because the some of his future cap hit is part of the 21 million the Steelers are paying him. That is why I said his cap hit is still high for the 49ers but the way you were talking the 49ers were going to be responsible for the current salary and his dead cap money that the Steelers are paying which would be some 42 million and that is not the case.

NO, that is not what i'm saying, how did you get that? I'm not just talking BTW, i'm posting the articles for everyone to read and comprehend.

There is a difference between paying the money and cap hit, and that seems to be the part you're not getting? I'm not claiming to be an expert, but from what i've been posting thats how i see it. Again, someone else can post something clearer, or explain it otherwise.

 

[RobertPhD01]

Alford CB available for a couple of years!?! Fast

 

[poewelch84]

NO, that is not what i'm saying, how did you get that? I'm not just talking BTW, i'm posting the articles for everyone to read and comprehend.

There is a difference between paying the money and cap hit, and that seems to be the part you're not getting? I'm not claiming to be an expert, but from what i've been posting thats how i see it. Again, someone else can post something clearer, or explain it otherwise.

You claimed that the dead cap money would count against the 49ers cap but the Steelers would pay it. In Brown's contract this season his salary jumps to 21 million or so a year that is why it really doesn't save the Steelers much money because the dead cap money that was to be spread out is now all due this year on the cap but has already been paid to Brown as a signing bonus.

 

[deep9er]

You claimed that the dead cap money would count against the 49ers cap but the Steelers would pay it. In Brown's contract this season his salary jumps to 21 million or so a year that is why it really doesn't save the Steelers much money because the dead cap money that was to be spread out is now all due this year on the cap but has already been paid to Brown as a signing bonus.

For cap hit purposes, the signing bonus is spread out over the length of a contract. So AB's signing bonus is divided by 5 years and applied to the cap equally for the next 5 years. This doesn't change at all, once the contract is signed.

However, the team doesn't need to pay AB five equal amounts of siging bonus. The team may elect to 'front load' or pay him all of it in year 1? Or half in year 1 and half in year 2? Or whatever agreement they settle on when the contract is signed? The cap hit from the signing bonus doesn't change year to year, it remains in place regardless of how it is paid.

The Steelers can't now decide to pay him all of it now, it is set by the Contract signed last year. The Steelers are NOT electing or deciding to pay dead money, or pay all of his signing bonus now. They're paying AB what his contract spells out in year 2.

 

[poewelch84]

For cap hit purposes, the signing bonus is spread out over the length of a contract. So AB's signing bonus is divided by 5 years and applied to the cap equally for the next 5 years. This doesn't change at all, once the contract is signed.

However, the team doesn't need to pay AB five equal amounts of siging bonus. The team may elect to 'front load' or pay him all of it in year 1? Or half in year 1 and half in year 2? Or whatever agreement they settle on when the contract is signed? The cap hit from the signing bonus doesn't change year to year, it remains in place regardless of how it is paid.

The Steelers can't now decide to pay him all of it now, it is set by the Contract signed last year. The Steelers are NOT electing or deciding to pay dead money, or pay all of his signing bonus now. They're paying AB what his contract spells out in year 2.

Because they are trading him the remainder of the signing bonus hits the cap this year that amount is almost as much as what he will make this season. His contract was scheduled to increase this season and next so the savings for the Steelers is minimal but the "dead cap" hits the Steelers cap not the team that trades for him.