Alabama's Da'shawn hand arrested for DUI

[Bandwagonbo2]

Hate to tell ya this scout, most coaches have charities. An community service is very good, but I'm sure most can agree missing something you practiced for is a way tougher punishment.

Hell shouldn't the said player doing community service under Saban be happy after he completed something like cleaning up neighborhoods or helping the less fortunate? I fail to see how this will teach him of the "dangers and people abused" from alcohol.

Its not about a lesson doing community services, thats part of his penalty. If you played college ball, you know that classes, team meetings, weight training, booster events, on top of study time and any other items the team may have leaves little time. Making him do community service takes free time. Adding in classes on substance abuse, and al-anon meetings will help him to see how substance abuse can ruin his or others lives.

Granted, Saban has his own plan and will do what he feels is needed and we likely wont know. Its part of the Student privacy clause in Alabama.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Its not about a lesson doing community services, thats part of his penalty. If you played college ball, you know that classes, team meetings, weight training, booster events, on top of study time and any other items the team may have leaves little time. Making him do community service takes free time. Adding in classes on substance abuse, and al-anon meetings will help him to see how substance abuse can ruin his or others lives.

Granted, Saban has his own plan and will do what he feels is needed and we likely wont know. Its part of the Student privacy clause in Alabama.

I actually did play a sport in college (albeit not football) but I understand the rigors somewhat.

An absolutely community service does take up time, but considering you are basically giving up your life for that 3/4 years for 12(plus) games a year and to miss one definitely should make you think twice. Because let's get something straight those team meetings, weight training and booster events are for those 12(plus) games. Not for anything else.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

We'll agree to disagree, but it sounds absolutely rediculous when people like you and bandwagon pinkears try and say missing a game teaches him nothing. He gives up basically his life for 3 to 4 years for 12(plus) games a year. He's not going to be learning anything from missing at least one of those 12(plus) games?

The only thing he learns is he had to miss a game. Since he cannot drive, how is he going to fuckup again? And what other lesson is it teaching him? My way he learns how substances can harm your ability to function on and off the field. He learns about how his actions affect others on the road, or in life. He gets to see how substances ruin peoples lives, from people who are living that addiction nightmare.
So one game, versus life lessons taught by those who live in the hell of addictions. yeah, I like my way better. One game is nothing in my opinion. It wasnt for me and most likely it wouldnt be for him.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

I actually did play a sport in college (albeit not football) but I understand the rigors somewhat.

An absolutely community service does take up time, but considering you are basically giving up your life for that 3/4 years for 12(plus) games a year and to miss one definitely should make you think twice. Because let's get something straight those team meetings, weight training and booster events are for those 12(plus) games. Not for anything else.

As you said, we can agree to disagree. I am trying to teach a kid about life and what he doesnt need in it as an athlete. You are teaching him about one game of his life. I am trying to save his life by showing him people who have wasted theirs. You are making him sit for ne day, with no lesson other than do that again and you miss a game. He has many more games in his life, but only one life to live. Which do you think he would miss more.

 

[ralphiewvu]

The only thing he learns is he had to miss a game. Since he cannot drive, how is he going to fuckup again? And what other lesson is it teaching him? My way he learns how substances can harm your ability to function on and off the field. He learns about how his actions affect others on the road, or in life. He gets to see how substances ruin peoples lives, from people who are living that addiction nightmare.
So one game, versus life lessons taught by those who live in the hell of addictions. yeah, I like my way better. One game is nothing in my opinion. It wasnt for me and most likely it wouldnt be for him.

Your way assumes he learns how substances harm an ability to function on and off field. Your way assumes he learns how his actions affect others on the road. Your way assumes he sees how substances ruin lives. All the while building a house for community service??? GMFB

Missing a game shows him that something he practiced for and had meetings for and weight training for and met boosters for ultimately creating a abetter life for him now and in the future can be taken away. Missing that game, 1 of 12(plus) shows him there are consequences for his actions and all the work he has put into this.

Of course community service is good but thinking he will not learn anything from missing a game is foolish and makes you look like a homer.

 

[ralphiewvu]

As you said, we can agree to disagree. I am trying to teach a kid about life and what he doesnt need in it as an athlete. You are teaching him about one game of his life. I am trying to save his life by showing him people who have wasted theirs. You are making him sit for ne day, with no lesson other than do that again and you miss a game. He has many more games in his life, but only one life to live. Which do you think he would miss more.

Again, we will agree to disagree. I am teaching him there are consequences for his actions. Again a player basically gives up his life for this 3/4 years for 12 games. Those practices, weight training, meeting boosters etc are for those 12 games. Absolutely do community service, but him knowing he could miss something he put so much time and energy for will deter him or at least make him think twice. You think giving up a few days to do community service will deter him more then missing one of 12 games he put so much energy and basically his life into? I doubt it.

 

[nddulac]

Sounds extreme, plus you are screwing with his life a bit.

That's kind of the point. It would teach him that alcohol will can really screw up your life.

I mean - that was the lesson you wanted him to learn, was it not?

But all kidding aside, Notre Dame had an opportunity to make a point with Michael Floyd, but screwed it all up. And by failing to learn the lessons he should have when the opportunity presented itself, he still finds himself struggling with the same issues.

This is typically what happens when the system finds a way tease a person around the negative consequences for their actions - a person learns that hsi or her "special status" makes it possible to get away with thing with minimal penalties.

 

[4down20]

I ask you to name punishments worse then missing a game. I'll wait

Really?

Hell just about any punishment given enough time and/or repetition. I don't know about you, but I personally took punishments that took up the least amount of my time. I'd take a paddle over writing sentences etc because it was over quicker. Hurt more technically, but better to get it over with.

Even something as simple as pushups, if done enough times can be wayyy worse than just missing a football game. All those other community service time and what not really drags on as well, if given enough time.

But where is it written that the toughest punishment is what is needed to bring about change to being with? And if it's up to the school to start with, then what does that say of our legal system? Does everyone in the legal system route get a 2nd DUI because the penalties for the 1st weren't good enough? Or is it just football players who need this extra punishment?

And why does it have to be suspended for a game? Does the game matter, or does it have to be the most important? If we started out with a FCS team and he was suspended for that, would you cry about it? If he was suspended for a game other than FSU, would you also be upset about it?

Because it seems to me, this ain't got shit to do with punishment. I find it hard to believe suddenly it's this guy that needs to be focused on. My money is - you just want him to be suspended so Alabama has a better chance of losing against FSU, and you just don't have the balls to say it.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Really?

Hell just about any punishment given enough time and/or repetition. I don't know about you, but I personally took punishments that took up the least amount of my time. I'd take a paddle over writing sentences etc because it was over quicker. Hurt more technically, but better to get it over with.

Even something as simple as pushups, if done enough times can be wayyy worse than just missing a football game. All those other community service time and what not really drags on as well, if given enough time.

But where is it written that the toughest punishment is what is needed to bring about change to being with? And if it's up to the school to start with, then what does that say of our legal system? Does everyone in the legal system route get a 2nd DUI because the penalties for the 1st weren't good enough? Or is it just football players who need this extra punishment?

And why does it have to be suspended for a game? Does the game matter, or does it have to be the most important? If we started out with a FCS team and he was suspended for that, would you cry about it? If he was suspended for a game other than FSU, would you also be upset about it?

Because it seems to me, this ain't got shit to do with punishment. I find it hard to believe suddenly it's this guy that needs to be focused on. My money is - you just want him to be suspended so Alabama has a better chance of losing against FSU, and you just don't have the balls to say it.

So let me get this straight, first you say doing push ups are more of a punishment then actually missing a game. One of 12 that you basically give up you life training for to one day better yourself. Then the next paragraph you basically admit it is the toughest punishment but ask if it is really needed. Is that for real?

Your next paragraph brings up an interesting question. My reasoning is one game no matter who the opponent is. I pass along the same question to you. If the gumps were playing some FCS patsy, would you be so hardcore on not missing any time as you are now?

You don't get it. None of this really would come about if you and the other gump wouldn't go full retard saying the kid won't learn anything from missing a game. Only a complete moron would agree with you. It's more of you having a win at all cost attitude that is drawing responses. LOL

 

[WizardHawk]

There are something near 36+ games in a college football players career if they don't stay for their senior season. So many of them care about career stats and season stats. They also live for the routine and being with their teammates. Every minute they are on the bench watching another kid taking their reps kills them. Period. The ones that aren't hating it probably aren't starters.

Sitting out hurts the team. Every player on that sideline knows who's fault it is they are a player down. He is having to sit there knowing he let every member of that team down because of the choices they made. That really does impact them. It has been written about extensively by kids that have been suspended and gone through it.

It also sends a very public message to other kids that doing things like this can lead to you losing the thing you came here for. You will be the one letting everyone on the team down. You will end up with fans, boosters, and the news media cycle all looking at you for being in that situation and doing this to your team.

It's real punishment. Period.


The idea that classes and community service is somehow worse so don't take any games away is just ludicrous. Do both if he needs that kind of message. If it doesn't do any kind of real punishment then why on earth fight so hard to prevent it?

 

[4down20]

So let me get this straight, first you say doing push ups are more of a punishment then actually missing a game. One of 12 that you basically give up you life training for to one day better yourself. Then the next paragraph you basically admit it is the toughest punishment but ask if it is really needed. Is that for real?

Your next paragraph brings up an interesting question. My reasoning is one game no matter who the opponent is. I pass along the same question to you. If the gumps were playing some FCS patsy, would you be so hardcore on not missing any time as you are now?

You don't get it. None of this really would come about if you and the other gump wouldn't go full retard saying the kid won't learn anything from missing a game. Only a complete moron would agree with you. It's more of you having a win at all cost attitude that is drawing responses. LOL

If you do enough of them, yes eventually. That's kind of the point.

When I was a kid, being grounded was the worst. But obviously that's a matter of time. 5 minutes wouldn't be anything, but I would get grounded for weeks or months. So there is a big difference here, and that was the point.

And I'm fine with whatever Saban decides is appropriate punishment. It's what he gets paid for. If he announces this guy is suspended for the FSU game, then I'm fine with that. I personally think the entire notion that it's up to the schools to provide criminal punishment is dumb. What should matter to the coaches is what is in the best interest of the players and the team.

For example, maybe if he had an existing pattern of behavior where he was messing up, more punishment would be in order. But if someone had a good pattern of behavior prior, it might not be needed. These are things none of us know, but the coaches will. So I trust that the coaches are the ones to make the best decision. And if that coach makes the wrong decision - it will be the school that pays for it.

It has nothing to do with win at all cost attitude. I have the same opinion on this topic no matter what team it is, and have said the same things when it comes to other teams. So you'll need to find another excuse on that.

 

[Camfantasy]

so what's wrong with him missing playing time along with him doing some community service/classes etc?

doesn't have to be an either/or deal does it?

 

[nddulac]

doesn't have to be an either/or deal does it?

Depends. Did he grow up with air conditioning?

 

[4down20]

Depends. Did he grow up with air conditioning?

He probably had the car on to get AC.

 

[4down20]

so what's wrong with him missing playing time along with him doing some community service/classes etc?

doesn't have to be an either/or deal does it?

If a player gets suspended, I assume the other part also happens.

 

[Camfantasy]

If a player gets suspended, I assume the other part also happens.

as it should

give him a slap on the wrist including making him sit at home and watch the 1st game on TV and not participate in game week activities. Hand's a good dewd....i've followed his career since he was a junior in high school and i seriously doubt he will make a habit of stupid shit like this (i'm surprised it happened in the first place) but "handling it internally" isn't a good look when it comes to criminal matters and arrests. That is for anyone including VT and they have themselves been guilty of stupid shit in regards to these decisions in the past. Sets a bad example for the young guys and in the public eye.

Alabama isn't going to shit the bed because they are missing a DE who got 21 total tackles and 2 sacks last season. His potential effectiveness against FSU has no bearing to me in my opinion here. I would do the same to a walk-on looking forward to practicing on the scout team without any hope of actually playing in the game anyways.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Your way assumes he learns how substances harm an ability to function on and off field. Your way assumes he learns how his actions affect others on the road. Your way assumes he sees how substances ruin lives. All the while building a house for community service??? GMFB

Missing a game shows him that something he practiced for and had meetings for and weight training for and met boosters for ultimately creating a abetter life for him now and in the future can be taken away. Missing that game, 1 of 12(plus) shows him there are consequences for his actions and all the work he has put into this.

Of course community service is good but thinking he will not learn anything from missing a game is foolish and makes you look like a homer.

Not one time have I touted my school in this, somsaying I look like homer is a bit off by a mile. I would use this punishment for any University, not just the one I where I went. You see things in terms of Homer and not, if it aligns with your thinking its not, if it doesnt its a homer. I am thinking about the kids, and even stated I have no objection to them suspending the kid for a game, even though my opinion is this will not be much of a lesson, its more a slap on the wrist. Yet I am labeled a homer because I am thinking about the kids well being, not just a slap on the wrist.

I always enjoy conversing with Saban haters, and you are, but you will deny it. A homer is someone who vehemently defends a University or Coach. My guess is right about now you are figuring out you mis-labeled me and need to find a way to flip this. You cant, because Homer doesnt fit me. If Saban wants to suspend him, fine, depth for days behind him. Its one game. If Saban wants him to sit until he has finished whatever form of punishment, fine, depths for days behind him...next man up. If Saban wants to boot him off the team, fine, next man up. You see, its just a game to me, and if we lose, better to lose early than late. So find a new label pal, because homer doesnt fit me at all, while hater is all you have.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Again, we will agree to disagree. I am teaching him there are consequences for his actions. Again a player basically gives up his life for this 3/4 years for 12 games. Those practices, weight training, meeting boosters etc are for those 12 games. Absolutely do community service, but him knowing he could miss something he put so much time and energy for will deter him or at least make him think twice. You think giving up a few days to do community service will deter him more then missing one of 12 games he put so much energy and basically his life into? I doubt it.

Notice i used 100 hours, thats a small penalty, could be more. Break that down into 8 hour days (hard to come by an 8 hour free time day in a college athletic program at the height of the season, but you know this. So, time is more of an issue. Missing a game, fine, let him miss it. Still doesnt change my opinion its not much a lesson. You say it teaches him there are consequences for his actions. Yeah, my guess is you take any kid off the street, stop him and ask if he was driving drunk and got caught, will there be consequences for that action, and they say yes. Sorry, these kids know right from wrong 99% of the time. Showing them what substances do to normal, healthy people and how it degrades their bodies and minds until they only know a craving for that substance is how you reach them. Showing them the pain and suffering, even death, causes them to think about their own mortality and how he could have died, or killed someone else. Missing a game, yeah, it makes him miss something he has trained for, but it doesnt tell him why he is missing it other than actions have consequences. They why is more important for his future health and life that the slap on the wrist he gets for missing a game. Missing a game is akin to timeout, doesnt work.

 

[ralphiewvu]

If you do enough of them, yes eventually. That's kind of the point.

When I was a kid, being grounded was the worst. But obviously that's a matter of time. 5 minutes wouldn't be anything, but I would get grounded for weeks or months. So there is a big difference here, and that was the point.

And I'm fine with whatever Saban decides is appropriate punishment. It's what he gets paid for. If he announces this guy is suspended for the FSU game, then I'm fine with that. I personally think the entire notion that it's up to the schools to provide criminal punishment is dumb. What should matter to the coaches is what is in the best interest of the players and the team.

For example, maybe if he had an existing pattern of behavior where he was messing up, more punishment would be in order. But if someone had a good pattern of behavior prior, it might not be needed. These are things none of us know, but the coaches will. So I trust that the coaches are the ones to make the best decision. And if that coach makes the wrong decision - it will be the school that pays for it.

It has nothing to do with win at all cost attitude. I have the same opinion on this topic no matter what team it is, and have said the same things when it comes to other teams. So you'll need to find another excuse on that.

I'm not making excuses, you are. It's absolute your win at all cost attitude because only a complete moron would say push-ups are a worse punishment then missing something you are putting so much time and energy into. But it is what it is.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Not one time have I touted my school in this, somsaying I look like homer is a bit off by a mile. I would use this punishment for any University, not just the one I where I went. You see things in terms of Homer and not, if it aligns with your thinking its not, if it doesnt its a homer. I am thinking about the kids, and even stated I have no objection to them suspending the kid for a game, even though my opinion is this will not be much of a lesson, its more a slap on the wrist. Yet I am labeled a homer because I am thinking about the kids well being, not just a slap on the wrist.

I always enjoy conversing with Saban haters, and you are, but you will deny it. A homer is someone who vehemently defends a University or Coach. My guess is right about now you are figuring out you mis-labeled me and need to find a way to flip this. You cant, because Homer doesnt fit me. If Saban wants to suspend him, fine, depth for days behind him. Its one game. If Saban wants him to sit until he has finished whatever form of punishment, fine, depths for days behind him...next man up. If Saban wants to boot him off the team, fine, next man up. You see, its just a game to me, and if we lose, better to lose early than late. So find a new label pal, because homer doesnt fit me at all, while hater is all you have.

No, I hate Saban. I will admit that.

An no, you are a homer. Why is it I only see bama fans saying missing a game doesn't teach anything? Admit it, it's a win at all cost attitude. Not horrid but still makes you a homer, pal.