AL East Thread

[navamind]

I wouldn't hate Bregman. Sox need a righty bat, he's not quite 2018-19 Bregman anymore but 2022-24 Bregman's still a 4+ WAR player. He's reliable defensively and can give you an OPS+ in the neighborhood of 120. One worry I do have is his walk rate took a dramatic drop in 2024, hopefully that's not a trend.

Teoscar Hernandez doesn't excite me that much, just feels like a more reliable Tyler O'Neill. I would have rather signed the latter to a smaller deal, honestly. Sox have outfield prospects that are on the cusp of the majors anyway (Campbell, Anthony). They could also swing a deal with the Cubs for Suzuki, who is coming off a really good 2024 campaign.

 

[bksballer89]

I just wonder how far off the Sox were from the Yanks/Mets offers

From what I saw on twitter last night it said Sox offered 700

 

[chappee11]

Sox should get Burnes or Fried, maybe? I've seen reports suggesting the get both!...

This week should be fun!

And don't forget the trade market. Garret Crochet is gonna bring a haul to Chicago...

Well, they definitely won’t get both. I’d be happy with Fried, though, and they definitely seem to prefer him from what I’ve read.

The Sox should be very active on the trade market. They have a logjam of positional prospects coming…and many of them are lefties. Guys like Abreu, Casas & David Hamilton could all be on the block.

If they sign Bregman and move Devers to 1B they would get much better defensively at 2 positions. But I don’t like Bregman much and don’t really want him.

 

[chappee11]

Well shit

Watching the hitter with the best plate awareness of his generation walk out the door to go crosstown definitely sucks.

Can't really say it was about the money though when you're talking about less than 1% difference in the offers. He just didn't want to be a Yankee all that much.

Puzzling, but we both thought Cohen would get his man. If the Yankees do sign Alonso, he could put up crazy numbers in that ballpark, though.

 

[steveringo]

I wouldn't hate Bregman. Sox need a righty bat, he's not quite 2018-19 Bregman anymore but 2022-24 Bregman's still a 4+ WAR player. He's reliable defensively and can give you an OPS+ in the neighborhood of 120. One worry I do have is his walk rate took a dramatic drop in 2024, hopefully that's not a trend.

Teoscar Hernandez doesn't excite me that much, just feels like a more reliable Tyler O'Neill. I would have rather signed the latter to a smaller deal, honestly. Sox have outfield prospects that are on the cusp of the majors anyway (Campbell, Anthony). They could also swing a deal with the Cubs for Suzuki, who is coming off a really good 2024 campaign.

Red Sox would need to work some trade magic if they sign Bregman. I don't mind moving Devers off third, but it puts him at 1B/DH - with Casas & Yoshida. They've been floating Casas trade rumors, but I'd rather keep him. They'd need to dump Yoshida and eat at least half of his salary. If they can include him with a couple of their young outfielders in a trade for an SP (Crochet), it would be a miracle...

I also like Hernandez more than Santander simply because he's Dominican. Devers has trouble with English and hates being the center of attention. A fellow all-star countryman could help his comfort in the club house (which is important for some - like Rafael). It could also help Bello...

 

[redseat]

I wouldn't hate Bregman. Sox need a righty bat, he's not quite 2018-19 Bregman anymore but 2022-24 Bregman's still a 4+ WAR player. He's reliable defensively and can give you an OPS+ in the neighborhood of 120. One worry I do have is his walk rate took a dramatic drop in 2024, hopefully that's not a trend.

Teoscar Hernandez doesn't excite me that much, just feels like a more reliable Tyler O'Neill. I would have rather signed the latter to a smaller deal, honestly. Sox have outfield prospects that are on the cusp of the majors anyway (Campbell, Anthony). They could also swing a deal with the Cubs for Suzuki, who is coming off a really good 2024 campaign.

Yeah I wouldn't mind Bregman in Boston either. He would fit in nicely at Fenway plus his defense is worth it! Hernandez I feel as if would have to cost too much then what he is worth.

I really hope the Red Sox actually do something this off season instead of "trying".

Now I did NOT want them on Soto at all so that is not what I mean.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

As a Red Sox fan I'm glad they didn't go that high for Soto. But I'm thrilled that he is leaving the Yankees who could have afforded a contract like this one. This totally changes their lineup, like with Judge and pretty much everyone else they want I expected the Yankees to sign Soto to this extension.

I too expect the Sox to be active this offseason with the 4 stud prospects about to arrive. Abeau was a good player but clearly expendible. Hate to give up on a young talent that's cheap in Casas after all they have invested in him but it may be best for the team in the long run. They simply have to improve their pitching, their defense and they need a right handed power bat. O' Neil was very good, but he is always hurt and there was no reason to believe that will change.

 

[chappee11]

Red Sox would need to work some trade magic if they sign Bregman. I don't mind moving Devers off third, but it puts him at 1B/DH - with Casas & Yoshida. They've been floating Casas trade rumors, but I'd rather keep him. They'd need to dump Yoshida and eat at least half of his salary. If they can include him with a couple of their young outfielders in a trade for an SP (Crochet), it would be a miracle...

I also like Hernandez more than Santander simply because he's Dominican. Devers has trouble with English and hates being the center of attention. A fellow all-star countryman could help his comfort in the club house (which is important for some - like Rafael). It could also help Bello...

Yoshida just had surgery and that will make him tougher to trade this offseason. He’s clearly overpaid, but is not worthless. They could probably work something out where they take a less desirable contract back. Or they could attach him to another trade chip and get something decent back, maybe.

 

[navamind]

From what I saw on twitter last night it said Sox offered 700

Can't say they didn't try.

 

[Pastafazul]

Well shit

Watching the hitter with the best plate awareness of his generation walk out the door to go crosstown definitely sucks.

Can't really say it was about the money though when you're talking about less than 1% difference in the offers. He just didn't want to be a Yankee all that much.

This guy is completely in love with himself , it was all about the money!

 

[navamind]

I don't get the urge to trade Casas. Sox have struggled with developing 1st basemen and there's not a lot of other intriguing 1b options (though I wouldn't hate signing Walker, but he's in his 30s). Casas has looked like a really good hitter, 2024 was just basically a lost year because of the injury.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

This guy is completely in love with himself , it was all about the money!

You mean like 99.999% of all athletes who has played professional sports.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I don't get the urge to trade Casas. Sox have struggled with developing 1st basemen and there's not a lot of other intriguing 1b options (though I wouldn't hate signing Walker, but he's in his 30s). Casas has looked like a really good hitter, 2024 was just basically a lost year because of the injury.

Because they have a ton of LH bats in the lineup and on the way from the farm. Casas is still a bit unproven, gets hurt a lot and moving Devers to 1st base will improve a terrible defense.

 

[Pastafazul]

You mean like 99.999% of all athletes who has played professional sports.

This guy’s cologne is grey poupon

 

[steveringo]

I don't get the urge to trade Casas. Sox have struggled with developing 1st basemen and there's not a lot of other intriguing 1b options (though I wouldn't hate signing Walker, but he's in his 30s). Casas has looked like a really good hitter, 2024 was just basically a lost year because of the injury.

I find it odd to see Casas' name floating around. I suspect it is either because other teams know he'll be a 40HR 1B - OR - his quirkiness is disliked in the clubhouse... (or both)...

Also - he did turn down Boston's early extension offer.

Also, also - sticking to my earlier Dominican theme: Vlad Jr is a FA next year....


Sigh... anyway, I'd rather have Casas than all the other options...

 

[chappee11]

I don't get the urge to trade Casas. Sox have struggled with developing 1st basemen and there's not a lot of other intriguing 1b options (though I wouldn't hate signing Walker, but he's in his 30s). Casas has looked like a really good hitter, 2024 was just basically a lost year because of the injury.

I like what Casas brings on offense…especially his eye and patience. But he’s a big slow oaf and his defense is atrocious. He has 4 years of team control left and should have a lot of value in the right trade.

I’m not in favor of giving him away at all, but he’s the kind of guy that other teams might be really high on. He could also help return a good SP, perhaps.

This move is much less necessary if they don’t sign Bregman.

 

[steveringo]

This guy is completely in love with himself , it was all about the money!

You mean like 99.999% of all athletes who has played professional sports.

This guy’s cologne is grey poupon

Someone else pointed out - and it was mentioned in his Red Sox negotiations - he also wanted to be the man. Playing in Judge's shadow didn't suit him....

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Someone else pointed out - and it was mentioned in his Red Sox negotiations - he also wanted to be the man. Playing in Judge's shadow didn't suit him....

And someone else pointed out the Yankees offer was $5 million short and for an additional year, lowering the AAV. That was the deciding factor IMO, especially with Boras as the agent. From everything I read he loved playing for the Yankees, and with that sort porch in RF and Judge offering protection that was the perfect spot for him. Until a higher offer appeared. We can always assume an athlete will take the most money offered, as they should if put in that situation.

 

[Pure Steel]

And someone else pointed out the Yankees offer was $5 million short and for an additional year, lowering the AAV. That was the deciding factor IMO, especially with Boras as the agent. From everything I read he loved playing for the Yankees, and with that sort porch in RF and Judge offering protection that was the perfect spot for him. Until a higher offer appeared. We can always assume an athlete will take the most money offered, as they should if put in that situation.

Yup, hopefully he is financially set now.....

 

[chappee11]

Someone else pointed out - and it was mentioned in his Red Sox negotiations - he also wanted to be the man. Playing in Judge's shadow didn't suit him....

I wonder how true this is. Would he really care about being “teh man” if he was making so much more than Judge anyway? Seems like an NBA type of thing where guys are concerned about it being “their team”, or whatever. I just think Soto was always going to sign for the most money and it was always the Mets that were going to give it to him.