AL Central Smack Talk

[mr.hockey4242]

so I guess that was another mr hockey.

You answered it yourself. STATS. I thought you looked at them?

Felix...11 homers. Scherzer..14 and two vs White Sox which is what I meant to begin with anyways.

I hope you don't want to dig into the era stat.


And no homers allowed are not a team stat. Like I said, padded room........NOW.

 

[Cleaves2000]

Miggy hurting. Thats not good. If he comes out, it had to be painful. Hopefully a few days off will help. Hopefully someone steps up and delivers a big hit when needed. Even a 70 percent miggy is better than most. The fear he puts into pitchers, he could still draw walks. Just cant run the bases. Dont take any chances. We need him for the long haul.

So glad we won the first game. Especially facing sale.

 

[Cleaves2000]

Is cleveland starting their 2nd half fizzle now? Ubaldo seems to never go more than 5-6 innings.

 

[CaptO]

Miggy hurting], he could still draw walks. Just cant run the bases. Dont take any chances. We need him for the long haul.

Pinch runner anybody??

Is cleveland starting their 2nd half fizzle now? Ubaldo seems to never go more than 5-6 innings.

True he cant, but a 1 run loss isnt a pitchers fault. Lately theyve been using bats made of swiss cheese. 15 runs in the last 5 games. Not a good stat... Team slump, theyll wake up

 

[Howie115]

Scherzer got one of those team stats..a W. that's 14-1.
mr hockey said he would get pounded BAAWWWHHAAAAAAAAAAAAA
only thing pounded was scherzers fast ball in the catchers mitt for 8 innings

A couple White Sox gloggers on CBS were all over Scherzer, saying that, except for wins, Sale's stats are WAY better than Scherzer's. All I can see it that Sale is better in ERA (2.81 to 3.14). Otherwise...

Scherzer's WHIP: 0.95
Sale's WHIP: 1.02

Scherzer's K/BB: 157 / 31
Sale's K/BB: 142 / 30

ERA is not the sole determining factor in a pitcher's worth.

 

[navamind]

mr hockey...are you related to IFFY??
do you look at stats or do you just talk out your ass??


going into tonight. Felix has gave up 11 meat balls. Scherzer 12.
and ooo by the way . verlander 11.

maybe because it is a TEAM stat???????

Shut up xJokerz.

 

[navamind]

Felix: 2.43 ERA, 152 ERA+, 144.2 IP, 147/27 K/BB, 1.09 WHIP in 21 starts
Scherzer: 3.14 ERA, 136 ERA+, 137 IP, 157/31 K/BB, 0.95 WHIP in 20 starts

Scherzer's allowed fewer baserunners and has the sexier strikeout rate, but Felix blows him away in ERA/ERA+. They're both averaging just under 7 innings per start. And FWIW, Felix has about a 1 win advantage in bWAR.

 

[Iffster]

Felix: 2.43 ERA, 152 ERA+, 144.2 IP, 147/27 K/BB, 1.09 WHIP in 21 starts
Scherzer: 3.14 ERA, 136 ERA+, 137 IP, 157/31 K/BB, 0.95 WHIP in 20 starts

Scherzer's allowed fewer baserunners and has the sexier strikeout rate, but Felix blows him away in ERA/ERA+. They're both averaging just under 7 innings per start. And FWIW, Felix has about a 1 win advantage in bWAR.

1. BAA: Scherzer .200/Hernandez .239 (win - Scherzer)

2. But - BIG difference....Scherzer's Run Support is 5.90 (highest for any starter in MLB). Hernandez's RS is almost a run and a half lower at 4.43. Scherzer's 14 wins have a lot to do with run support! (something dougie just cannot grasp. That is why we say a 'W' is a team win, dougieboy!)

 

[navamind]

It's nice to see Scherzer finally breaking out though. He's always had the talent.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

Ya both are doing really well obviously. Felix with 11 wins on that team is amazing. I think last year he had to win 4 1-0 games and he went the distance in at least 3 lol and 1 was a Perfect game.

Scherzer has the WHIP but Felix walks less and allows a few less homers so somehow some way he is stranding runners a lot better.

Matt Moore back to dialing up the wins too. If he didn't have the 3 awful start stretch he'd be the Cy favorite easy.

 

[Howie115]

1. BAA: Scherzer .200/Hernandez .239 (win - Scherzer)

2. But - BIG difference....Scherzer's Run Support is 5.90 (highest for any starter in MLB).
Hernandez's RS is almost a run and a half lower at 4.43. Scherzer's 14
wins have a lot to do with run support! (something dougie just cannot
grasp. That is why we say a 'W' is a team win, dougieboy!)

I know that was directed at Dougie, and I'm not making any argument for Scherzer's wins... BUT my point is that some of these other pitchers are not "blowing away" Scherzer's stats just because of ERA.

 

[Cleaves2000]

If max keeps winning, and keeps his ERA where its at, and keeps striking people out......he will win the cy no matter what his run support is.

Why every year, its lets make arguments against tiger players for awards.....2 years ago....it was JV doesnt deserve Mvp.......last year all the nerds and their new stats wanted trout Mvp over miggy, which to me was comical.....now this year, everyone is trying to find every little reason why max shouldnt win.....the run support only sticks out if the pitchers ERA is pretty high.....he gave up 2 runs yesterday. The tigers scored 7. He didnt need 7 runs. King felix is great, but if max stays steady, he will win it.

 

[Waterboys1]

CaptnO, i was tryiing to find the thread you got, not sure how to find it, help please

 

[CaptO]

CaptnO, i was tryiing to find the thread you got, not sure how to find it, help please

PMd you with the info Water

 

[Iffster]

If max keeps winning, and keeps his ERA where its at, and keeps striking people out......he will win the cy no matter what his run support is.

Why every year, its lets make arguments against tiger players for awards.....2 years ago....it was JV doesnt deserve Mvp.......last year all the nerds and their new stats wanted trout Mvp over miggy, which to me was comical.....now this year, everyone is trying to find every little reason why max shouldnt win.....the run support only sticks out if the pitchers ERA is pretty high.....he gave up 2 runs yesterday. The tigers scored 7. He didnt need 7 runs. King felix is great, but if max stays steady, he will win it.

You may not like it, but awards voters are starting to look at other stats past W and ERA. Ditto for more sophisticated hitting stats. Twenty wins is still a big plus....but people are starting to look more at sabermetrics to rate pitchers. I kind of like it that ''the guy with the most wins'' is NOT now almost assured the CY. Things like BAA, WHIP, and run support are now just as important (maybe more) as wins and ERA.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

If max keeps winning, and keeps his ERA where its at, and keeps striking people out......he will win the cy no matter what his run support is.

Why every year, its lets make arguments against tiger players for awards.....2 years ago....it was JV doesnt deserve Mvp.......last year all the nerds and their new stats wanted trout Mvp over miggy, which to me was comical.....now this year, everyone is trying to find every little reason why max shouldnt win.....the run support only sticks out if the pitchers ERA is pretty high.....he gave up 2 runs yesterday. The tigers scored 7. He didnt need 7 runs. King felix is great, but if max stays steady, he will win it.

Thing is, in this instance. Felix at least has a great record himself and while ERA doesn't tell the whole story at all.........they are not even close. No chance a guy with a 2.43 era in more innings pitched is losing to a guy in the 3's. That just wont happen.

There are clearly things that Felix is doing better to have the big of a gap, just saying.


As for the Miggy trout thing. It was a great argument til we got deep into September. Trout faded a bit and Miggy kept up his torrid pace and ended up with a triple crown. Heading into september it wasn't bias at all to pick trout. He changed the game in so many ways. Miggy pulled away late though and won rightfully.

 

[navamind]

Trout batted .289/.400/.500 in September/October. He had a very good month.

Also, the Angels were 18-9 in September and 1-2 in October. The Tigers were 16-12 in September and 2-1 in October. I don't know where people got the notion that Trout struggled towards the end and the Angels tailed off. They did, however, have a crappy August.

 

[dougplayer]

don't forget..Felix on Thursdays..after yhe 2nd inning... he throws the most first pitch strikes till the 5th inning... but don't let Scherzers ERA ,WHIP,and BA get in the way of iffy and mr hockeys thinking. cause mr hockey figures scherzer will get pounded..

how much of that run support does scherzer really need????????????

 

[dougplayer]

Tigers win. Ricky P 7 shut out innings..

AL AL came in and walked the first 2 hitters in the 9th.. so white sox avoided the shut out.

Leyland will keep sending AL AL out there. at least Leyland woke up. first sign of trouble with Coke..he pulls him.or even pulls him BEFORE he gets in trouble. IFFY should be loving that

 

[dougplayer]

speaiking of Ricky P. every body wanted to trade him.
not a bad 5th starter option. Every year double digits wins.
some teams would love to have a 5th starter like him. we can hide him during the play offs..maybe even put him in the bull pen in the post season