Aiyuk tells Jayden 49ers don't want him back.

[gkekoa]

Perhaps Houston would have taken Stroud at #2, but I guarantee their confidence in him would not have been the same as it was for Stroud. Sure there might have been a lot of public pretense, but when you know, you know. OTOH, the Texans, might have taken someone else while looking forward to this draft where the QB options were greater. Who Knows????

Btw; We didn't miss on Griffin, they mishandled everything involving him. I said it at the time and I'm sticking to it, and as proof, I offer the "lack of manhood" perspective wherein no one had enough gumption to say "NO!" to this guy and run the organization in a manner that was in the long-term best interest of the franchise. Kyle had an excellent plan for the guy, but Mike played get-along politics with two idiot politicians resulting in an abrupt end to his (RGIII) promising career. Did Griffin play a role in his demise, absolutely, but metaphorically, so does a young child who doesn't know danger when casually crossing the street. Griffin can be excused for not knowing how to protect himself, but there's no excuse imaginable to cover those who knew that he didn't know this and did nothing to protect their investment. Hiring professionals, even baseball people to teach him how to slide would have been something, that might have prevented him from exposing his leg to be hit in the way that it was. A refresher...

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RG3 was a bust. He had a great rookie campaign but thought he was a great passer. RG3 was not. RG3 refused to rely on what made his rookie campaign great.

 

[redskinsfan1963]

Griffin was a straight up bust. Shanahan designed an offense that worked for him and Alf. After the first year Griffin and Dan decided they wanted to be a pocket QB, something he never had the skills for. Griffin mishandled himself .... no one let him down.

he was.but that rookie year was awesome.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

Im too lazy to backtrack and correct statements but, nobody thought Houston would turn things around that quickly except the people in that building. Im simply saying 7 wins is possible but i personally would consider that a failure. We were able to get 7 wins with less talent and organization. To simply view this as a wasted year and then expecting to take off year 2 is backwards. If you're telling me spending a 2nd on a WR that signs long term that has chemistry with our qb is a bad move i disagree. If you're telling finding a way to add Higgins using draft picks is bad, i disagree. I'm not hellbent on using picks but I'm not willing to throw in the towel on a season just because.
Just IMO, no shade or hate

 

[Sportster 72]

My thinking is for years we wanted a competent FO and coaching staff. I also realize being part of a forum is everyone's chance to play amateur GM. I'll just wait and see what the competent FO and coaching staff decide.

 

[skinsdad62]

Im too lazy to backtrack and correct statements but, nobody thought Houston would turn things around that quickly except the people in that building. Im simply saying 7 wins is possible but i personally would consider that a failure. We were able to get 7 wins with less talent and organization. To simply view this as a wasted year and then expecting to take off year 2 is backwards. If you're telling me spending a 2nd on a WR that signs long term that has chemistry with our qb is a bad move i disagree. If you're telling finding a way to add Higgins using draft picks is bad, i disagree. I'm not hellbent on using picks but I'm not willing to throw in the towel on a season just because.
Just IMO, no shade or hate

1) no wr is signing a long term deal until next year 2 ) both teams want more then a 2nd , 3) houston was an outlier not a norm 4) who said we are throwing in the towel ? coach up the layers on this team . who says Luke cant produce ? . so giving up multiple picks to contend for a WC is good business? then when you need to add a good young player and you look to next years draft and you want to make a pick and shit you dont have one because you used it to go 10 wins with no chance at a superbowl . you make those kinds of signings or trades when you are ready to make the jump to competing for and winning super bowls , not to maybe be a WC team

now for a dose of reality the bengals and 49ers are superbowl contending teams . they arent trading away their guys who can help them get there this year

dose of reality 2 , its OT where we are most vulnerable not WR. the last 2 drafts its been WR that has been the deepest position and next years draft appears to be tracking the same way

 

[Skin'EmAll]

1) no wr is signing a long term deal until next year 2 ) both teams want more then a 2nd , 3) houston was an outlier not a norm 4) who said we are throwing in the towel ? coach up the layers on this team . who says Luke cant produce ? . so giving up multiple picks to contend for a WC is good business? then when you need to add a good young player and you look to next years draft and you want to make a pick and shit you dont have one because you used it to go 10 wins with no chance at a superbowl . you make those kinds of signings or trades when you are ready to make the jump to competing for and winning super bowls , not to maybe be a WC team

now for a dose of reality the bengals and 49ers are superbowl contending teams . they arent trading away their guys who can help them get there this year

dose of reality 2 , its OT where we are most vulnerable not WR. the last 2 drafts its been WR that has been the deepest position and next years draft appears to be tracking the same way

I haven't heard or seen anything where the Bengals won't settle for a pick for higgins.
Multiple picks aren't terrible, especially if its a late 2025 or 26. We've seen mind boggling trades for late picks.

I agree Houston was not the norm, but there are plenty of factors where our RSkins could have a similar year.

The bengals and 49ers argument is a completely different topic, ironically they are both in the midst of trade speculation.

I can use your argument on WR for OT, so technically i can't yet agree OT is our biggest need.

 

[skinsdad62]

I haven't heard or seen anything where the Bengals won't settle for a pick for higgins.
Multiple picks aren't terrible, especially if its a late 2025 or 26. We've seen mind boggling trades for late picks.

I agree Houston was not the norm, but there are plenty of factors where our RSkins could have a similar year.

The bengals and 49ers argument is a completely different topic, ironically they are both in the midst of trade speculation.

I can use your argument on WR for OT, so technically i can't yet agree OT is our biggest need.

the offer prosed for tee is a 2nd and a 5th . the 49ers want a 1st rounder . i have posted these

 

[Skin'EmAll]

Let's see what happens

 

[skinsdad62]

This is our roster ranking according to PFF, the Texans are ranked 7th. The Texans drafted well and assessed what they had . Now they kept their draft intact and now can make a move toward being contenders. The Texans staff coached up their team and didn’t give away future resources to finish where they finished. Now they have resources to address needs to become contenders

 

[Skin'EmAll]

PFF says Texans' 6.0 win projection is 'reasonable'

Pro Football Focus’ analytics projects the Houston Texans being a six-win team, which is “reasonable” in their evaluation.

texanswire.usatoday.com

The texans were written off, 6 wins. The redskins are getting the same storyline.

We can't throw in the towel but rather do what it takes to win playoff games. There are trade requests that are not ideal for us and there are exceptions where a couple of draft picks are worth it

 

[redskinsfan1963]

1) no wr is signing a long term deal until next year 2 ) both teams want more then a 2nd , 3) houston was an outlier not a norm 4) who said we are throwing in the towel ? coach up the layers on this team . who says Luke cant produce ? . so giving up multiple picks to contend for a WC is good business? then when you need to add a good young player and you look to next years draft and you want to make a pick and shit you dont have one because you used it to go 10 wins with no chance at a superbowl . you make those kinds of signings or trades when you are ready to make the jump to competing for and winning super bowls , not to maybe be a WC team

now for a dose of reality the bengals and 49ers are superbowl contending teams . they arent trading away their guys who can help them get there this year

dose of reality 2 , its OT where we are most vulnerable not WR. the last 2 drafts its been WR that has been the deepest position and next years draft appears to be tracking the same way

this close to 2024 season,I,d not trade for anybody unless I needed help at the position.w seem to have depth at wr,so another is not needed.

 

[dcrising]

The only way skins are making a trade at this point if there is season ending injuries to important players and even then i'm not sure Peters would pull the trigger unless they appear (highly unlikely) playoff position. This is an evaluative year.

 

[skinsdad62]

 

[Skin'EmAll]

I kinda wish local guys would give it less attention, this is what all the spoiled brats do to get out of....or get what they want. He doesn't wanna leave SF. He just wants the paper

 

[ThomasTomasz]

My thinking is for years we wanted a competent FO and coaching staff. I also realize being part of a forum is everyone's chance to play amateur GM. I'll just wait and see what the competent FO and coaching staff decide.

As an Orioles fan, I can tell you what having a ‘fan’ for an owner does, and Angelos, for all of his warts, was at least a decent person unlike Snyder.

That being said, the Orioles turned things around in their minor league development system when systematic changes were made. We had a good run from 2012-16, but it wasn’t sustainable. We had Duquette as a GM, but for years, many people were employed in the front office and minor leagues by the single qualification that they were part of ”The Oriole Way” from years ago.

In many ways, the Redskins/Commanders organization under Snyder has paralleled this, and most recently, was victim to the PantherSkins hires by Rivera. What has impressed me is how many people have come here from other successful organizations to be a part of what is happening here. And it isn’t just Adam Peters, it is across the spectrum. There are also more changes to come. When Mike Elias came in, a similar prodigy to Peters at the time, he made some landmark hires, but allowed for the majority of the organization to spend time in the new structure for a year, and then more moves were made after his first season at the helm.

Now, football is different than baseball. A five year, tear the organization down to its struts rebuild like in Baltimore took six years before the Orioles made the playoffs. It probably takes the Commanders three before they can make the playoffs, similar to the Lions build. Rivera left this roster with little talent- he inherited a terrible roster, and left it as such. There will be growing pains with a new QB, and new systems being installed, and not just the schemes on the field. Off the field, an entirely new front office is going to be learning how to work together as well as the coaching staff.

To Aiyuk specifically, you can’t punt games like in MLB or NBA In the NFL. With a potential franchise QB, there is benefit of adding him to help Daniels in his development. However, we have generally gotten bad returns in the past with trading high draft picks, and then signing them to a big contract. It’s not good asset management to do so. I’d rather use the draft pick to bring someone in, and then utilize the cap space for someone who doesn’t cost draft capital. Considering that they knew they were going to draft a QB high, and didn’t bring in another WR, means that they think there is some potential in the WRs here, and that means a development season to see where everyone is. They can bring Aiyuk, or someone else in, as a FA next off-season depending on how well the guys in house perform.

 

[redskinsfan1963]

I kinda wish local guys would give it less attention, this is what all the spoiled brats do to get out of....or get what they want. He doesn't wanna leave SF. He just wants the paper

the world we live in now.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

As an Orioles fan, I can tell you what having a ‘fan’ for an owner does, and Angelos, for all of his warts, was at least a decent person unlike Snyder.

That being said, the Orioles turned things around in their minor league development system when systematic changes were made. We had a good run from 2012-16, but it wasn’t sustainable. We had Duquette as a GM, but for years, many people were employed in the front office and minor leagues by the single qualification that they were part of ”The Oriole Way” from years ago.

In many ways, the Redskins/Commanders organization under Snyder has paralleled this, and most recently, was victim to the PantherSkins hires by Rivera. What has impressed me is how many people have come here from other successful organizations to be a part of what is happening here. And it isn’t just Adam Peters, it is across the spectrum. There are also more changes to come. When Mike Elias came in, a similar prodigy to Peters at the time, he made some landmark hires, but allowed for the majority of the organization to spend time in the new structure for a year, and then more moves were made after his first season at the helm.

Now, football is different than baseball. A five year, tear the organization down to its struts rebuild like in Baltimore took six years before the Orioles made the playoffs. It probably takes the Commanders three before they can make the playoffs, similar to the Lions build. Rivera left this roster with little talent- he inherited a terrible roster, and left it as such. There will be growing pains with a new QB, and new systems being installed, and not just the schemes on the field. Off the field, an entirely new front office is going to be learning how to work together as well as the coaching staff.

To Aiyuk specifically, you can’t punt games like in MLB or NBA In the NFL. With a potential franchise QB, there is benefit of adding him to help Daniels in his development. However, we have generally gotten bad returns in the past with trading high draft picks, and then signing them to a big contract. It’s not good asset management to do so. I’d rather use the draft pick to bring someone in, and then utilize the cap space for someone who doesn’t cost draft capital. Considering that they knew they were going to draft a QB high, and didn’t bring in another WR, means that they think there is some potential in the WRs here, and that means a development season to see where everyone is. They can bring Aiyuk, or someone else in, as a FA next off-season depending on how well the guys in house perform.

Good post. I think Aiyuk deserves to be paid, he's just going about it the wrong way, especially since he has no leverage.
I'm slightly concerned about the distraction it could potentially make with our QB.
Im still open to a Higgins deal

 

[redskinsfan1963]

Good post. I think Aiyuk deserves to be paid, he's just going about it the wrong way, especially since he has no leverage.
I'm slightly concerned about the distraction it could potentially make with our QB.
Im still open to a Higgins deal

agree,he,s just doing it a shitty way imo.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

Good post. I think Aiyuk deserves to be paid, he's just going about it the wrong way, especially since he has no leverage.
I'm slightly concerned about the distraction it could potentially make with our QB.
Im still open to a Higgins deal

Totally agree that he deserves it. But I’m not a fan of what he’s doing. Additionally, I just don’t think it makes sense from managing your assets to trade a draft pick for a player, and then give the guy a huge contract.

If you are one player away……sure, that is worth it. But we are way more than that away from being a competitor.

 

[redskinsfan1963]

Totally agree that he deserves it. But I’m not a fan of what he’s doing. Additionally, I just don’t think it makes sense from managing your assets to trade a draft pick for a player, and then give the guy a huge contract.

If you are one player away……sure, that is worth it. But we are way more than that away from being a competitor.

pretty close though.nfc faves again in 2024 imo