A.L. Central Smack Talk 2014

[dougplayer]

Meanwhile, Verlander's already very high ERA just got a bit higher.

yeah that ERA is kinda high
BUT
when they needed him the most Verlander gets a W for his team. I know winning is not that important to some of you. better to look good than to win...
bawwwwwwhaaaaa
tigers look to win today and close out this ROAD trip as a WINNING trip

 

[Fountain City Blues]

yeah that ERA is kinda high
BUT
when they needed him the most Verlander gets a W for his team. I know winning is not that important to some of you. better to look good than to win...
bawwwwwwhaaaaa
tigers look to win today and close out this ROAD trip as a WINNING trip

This is no longer funny to read. Alas, you will finally enter my ignore list.

 

[navamind]

yeah that ERA is kinda high
BUT
when they needed him the most Verlander gets a W for his team. I know winning is not that important to some of you. better to look good than to win...
bawwwwwwhaaaaa
tigers look to win today and close out this ROAD trip as a WINNING trip

You do realize Verlander has a .476 W-L%, right? Ranked 65th among 95 qualified starting pitchers. So no, Verlander hasn't even been doing much "winning."

Most of the top pitchers in the league in W-L% have very good ERAs.

 

[dougplayer]

ok ignore the facts. deflect the truth.


that way...in seot..when you watch the tigers win central..you can act like it was such a suprise

 

[dougplayer]

You do realize Verlander has a .476 W-L%, right? Ranked 65th among 95 qualified starting pitchers. So no, Verlander hasn't even been doing much "winning."

Most of the top pitchers in the league in W-L% have good ERAs.

you do realize he could/should have went on the DL?
he wants to help his team WIN. he did.

 

[gandydancer]

Is this INK?

 

[dougplayer]

I know you hate when iam right.
many hatted on verlander before the game yesterday.
I said! he will WIN! He did. just when his team needed the most. HEART..it aint a stat. some thing you have to have when you put on the olde English D!

 

[navamind]

you do realize he could/should have went on the DL?
he wants to help his team WIN. he did.

Considering his ERA and W-L%, he wasn't "helping them win."

 

[navamind]

I know you hate when iam right.
many hatted on verlander before the game yesterday.
I said! he will WIN! He did. just when his team needed the most. HEART..it aint a stat. some thing you have to have when you put on the olde English D!

They stacked hats on him?

 

[dougplayer]

Considering his ERA and W-L%, he wasn't "helping them win."

DOES keeping your team in it..and getting a W help your team?

 

[navamind]

And, that's the catch with May, he always has had a big crowd who thought he would end up being a reliever.

If it's any consolation, he looks somewhat like Danny Duffy did his first couple of years and now has tolerable control as a starter.

The command issues are very worrisome. His walk rates in the minors were always a bit high. But I wouldn't go as far as saying he sucks after three starts.

 

[navamind]

DOES keeping your team in it..and getting a W help your team?

He has a sub-.500 win percentage. The Tigers' win percentage is .522.

**helping**

 

[navamind]

Trevor Bauer had walked 29 batters (with 28 strikeouts) in his first 33.1 innings in the majors. This year, he's walked 45 batters in 118.1 innings (3.42 BB/9, while not great by any means, it's still respectable and a huge improvement). Bauer was pretty much viewed as a bust not long ago. His 2014 numbers are still pretty meh (4.18 ERA, 3.82 FIP, 4.02 xFIP), but they're definitely headed in the right direction. Could be in for a good 2015.

 

[dougplayer]

Trevor Bauer had walked 29 batters (with 28 strikeouts) in his first 33.1 innings in the majors. This year, he's walked 45 batters in 118.1 innings (3.42 BB/9, while not great by any means, it's still respectable and a huge improvement). Bauer was pretty much viewed as a bust not long ago. His 2014 numbers are still pretty meh (4.18 ERA, 3.82 FIP, 4.02 xFIP), but they're definitely headed in the right direction. Could be in for a good 2015.

do they stack hats on him?

 

[Howie115]

He has a sub-.500 win percentage. The Tigers' win percentage is .522.

Verlander is 11-11. That's .500, sir.

No, JV still wasn't anywhere near his old self, and 4 ER in 5.2 innings doesn't look that great on paper. But I watched the whole game -- coming off a shoulder problem, he reached back and got 96 a couple of times to get Ks with men on base. The RBI double by Mauer was on a good pitch -- a changeup about 12 inches off the ground that Mauer just went down and got. Credit to Joe on that one, rather than blame on JV. The 2-run double to Plouffe was a mistake, but if Mauer makes an out, Plouffe doesn't get to the plate that inning.

Overall, JV settled the waters a bit after Minny had scored 32 runs in 16 innings the previous two games. Not vintage JV, but it was what the Tigers needed.

 

[navamind]

Verlander is 11-11. That's .500, sir.

No, JV still wasn't anywhere near his old self, and 4 ER in 5.2 innings doesn't look that great on paper. But I watched the whole game -- coming off a shoulder problem, he reached back and got 96 a couple of times to get Ks with men on base. The RBI double by Mauer was on a good pitch -- a changeup about 12 inches off the ground that Mauer just went down and got. Credit to Joe on that one, rather than blame on JV. The 2-run double to Plouffe was a mistake, but if Mauer makes an out, Plouffe doesn't get to the plate that inning.

Overall, JV settled the waters a bit after Minny had scored 32 runs in 16 innings the previous two games. Not vintage JV, but it was what the Tigers needed.

Ah, okay. BB-Ref still had him at 10-11 when I used their sorted SP stats yesterday. They must have updated later in the day.

 

[Howie115]

I'd agree that Verlander is fortunate to be 11-11 with his other numbers. Especially when you see someone like Danny Duffy at 8-11 with a 2.53 ERA.

To doug's point though, if Verlander was just "cashing a paycheck", he would have gone on the DL, as many pitchers would have. Say what you will, JV is a fierce competitor.

 

[gvsulaker82]

DOES keeping your team in it..and getting a W help your team?

Im a huge JV supporter but come on man, outside of last years playoffs he hasnt looked like JV in almost two seasons. He has been downgraded to their fifth best starter. I still believe they should have sat him for a couple of months earlier this season, something is not right physically.

 

[gvsulaker82]

Trevor Bauer had walked 29 batters (with 28 strikeouts) in his first 33.1 innings in the majors. This year, he's walked 45 batters in 118.1 innings (3.42 BB/9, while not great by any means, it's still respectable and a huge improvement). Bauer was pretty much viewed as a bust not long ago. His 2014 numbers are still pretty meh (4.18 ERA, 3.82 FIP, 4.02 xFIP), but they're definitely headed in the right direction. Could be in for a good 2015.

Great research, I think bauer will be elite and him and salazar could provide a very compelling 1-2 in cleveland in a couple of years.

 

[gvsulaker82]

Howie, good to see you around. Always enjoy your posts.