A.L. Central Smack 2015

[MiamiVice]

Hosmer bats .50 points higher with runners in scoring position than Moustakas... say what you want about no correlation.. but if there is no correlation.. why is there usually a difference from overall BA and BA with RISP?

 

[MiamiVice]

Hosmer? Hosmer has a much more diverse skill set at the plate than Moustakas besides defense. That's been the common thought since Hosmer has been in A ball. One's a 1B though, the other is a 3B.

We are comparing a 3B to a 3B, no?

Hosmer has a wRC+ around 137 now, iirc. So yeah, pretty good. Moose is at 111.

Once again Moose.. we are not comparing defense or position.. we are comparing guys at the plate...it doesn't matter if a guy plays left field well or sucks at first base when he has a bat in his hand.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Hosmer bats .50 points higher with runners in scoring position than Moustakas... say what you want about no correlation.. but if there is no correlation.. why is there usually a difference from overall BA and BA with RISP?

Small samples. Usually regresses over a longer sample. The Cardinals fans probably could tell you about it given they got absurdly fortunate in 2013, only to have the exact opposite happen the following year in 2014.

 

[MiamiVice]

You keep saying there is no correlation to BA with RISP.... yet players BA with RISP isn't equal to their BA ever.. why is that? With many players its not even close...

 

[Fountain City Blues]

You keep saying there is no correlation to BA with RISP.... yet players BA with RISP isn't equal to their BA ever.. why is that? With many players its not even close...

Variance, luck.

 

[MiamiVice]

Small samples. Usually regresses over a longer sample. The Cardinals fans probably could tell you about it given they got absurdly fortunate in 2013, only to have the exact opposite happen the following year in 2014.

Smalll samples? Look over a guys 20 year career... Arod career BA is .299... his BA with RISP over 20 years is 70 points lower

 

[MiamiVice]

That graph doesn't show any factors in the study. How long? How many at bats? It shows nothing to tell me how valid it is.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Smalll samples? Look over a guys 20 year career... Arod career BA is .299... his BA with RISP over 20 years is 70 points lower

Oh wow, a needle in a haystack.

Again, 3 different sets of data telling you there's no serious correlation.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

That graph doesn't show any factors in the study. How long? How many at bats? It shows nothing to tell me how valid it is.

Should try reading
The Elusive Clutch Hitter | Community FanGraphs Baseball

 

[MiamiVice]

I guess HOF batters luck is better with runners not in scoring position.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

I guess HOF batters luck is better with runners not in scoring position.

You betcha.

 

[MiamiVice]

No quarrelation? How many people finish their career with their BA and BA with RISP the same or within 10 points?

 

[MiamiVice]

LOL @ luck.

 

[MiamiVice]

You can say what ever you want.. but the only way BA with RISP is the same as regular at bats is if its robots pitching and batting.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

A-Rod for career:

Men on base: 290
Nobody on base: 293
Men in RISP: 287

 

[Fountain City Blues]

So, generally, a less than 10% difference in BA from his actual career BA, realistically. Yipee.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

No quarrelation? How many people finish their career with their BA and BA with RISP the same or within 10 points?

Given the graphs presented- a significant number. I can go digging though, probably.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

 

[MiamiVice]

This one pretty much proves my point... there is a difference. I don't see many straight lines there.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

This one pretty much proves my point... there is a difference.

Where? There's no stability.