A.L. Central Discussion 2016

[dougplayer]

I'm half German, ya meatball.

What half? The half that is a blind homer to the stinking indians?

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Did doug accept the reduced ($200) bet with slinky?

Why do I ask? He'll never bet....all talk, no balls.

Hell no. That would take a modicum of testicular fortitude, which Doug clearly lacks.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

What half? The half that is a blind homer to the stinking indians?

Hahahaha!

Yep. That half.

 

[Iffster]

Doug...YOU can't handle the truth. You lack guts

 

[Iffster]

Doug...do you have an opinion on how many more starts Fulmer should make?

 

[broncosmitty]

That is really bizarre. They look like World Killers against Detroit. Yet they seem to struggle against everyone else, not really struggle, but only a couple games over .500.

Detroit looks horrible against the Indians and like World Killers against everyone else.


I still think the Indians will take the Central, but Detroit is getting JD Martinez back and Upton has looked like the player we thought he'd be recently. With the surprise of Cameron Maybin being much better than I ever thought he'd be and Kinsler having a monster year. Detroit is going to have a pretty potent lineup going forward.

They also announced today that Fulmer may have a start or two pushed back, but that he won't be shut down. They said, while his innings are up, he is extremely efficient on his pitch count. He is around 1500 pitches right now. To put it in perspective with comparable guys. Ordorizzi went over 3000 and Yordano Ventura went to 2900 their rookie years. Syndegaard and DeGrom went to around 2300-2400. Even if he threw 100 pitches in his last 8-10 starts. That only puts him at 2300-2500 pitches.

They need Norris and Zimmerman to return reliable not just return.

Fulmer could use a ten-twelve day stretch out of the pen imo.

 

[Iffster]

They need Norris and Zimmerman to return reliable not just return.

Fulmer could use a ten-twelve day stretch out of the pen imo.

Especially Zimmermann. Personally, I don't really know what Detroit has in him? He isn't the guy we saw in April...but hopefully he isn't the 6.43 ERA we saw in June. He has to return and pitch consistent 6-7 inning starts. As for Norris...I think it would be wise to take anything he adds this year as a gift.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I understand your point. My point is that the other two threw more pitches in 2013 (pre-rookie seasons) than Fulmer did last year, so you would expect them to throw more pitches (and innings) in their rookie seasons than Fulmer is in his.

He may be more efficient in regards to pitches/inning, but they're still risking him the further he goes into 2016. For his sake, I hope he handles it in stride. For Doug's sake, I hope he implodes and is never the same again.

yah, typically, from what i have i understand the general rule of thumb is 20% more innings pitched form the previous year.

if they push him a little i wouldnt be surprised though...Tigers spent a lot of money in the offseason to try and go for it.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

yah, typically, from what i have i understand the general rule of thumb is 20% more innings pitched form the previous year.

if they push him a little i wouldnt be surprised though...Tigers spent a lot of money in the offseason to try and go for it.

Agreed. Given the pizza baron's health and desire for a championship, I'd assume they'll be in a 'don't spare the horses' mode provided they remain in the hunt for a playoff berth.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

I understand your point. My point is that the other two threw more pitches in 2013 (pre-rookie seasons) than Fulmer did last year, so you would expect them to throw more pitches (and innings) in their rookie seasons than Fulmer is in his.

He may be more efficient in regards to pitches/inning, but they're still risking him the further he goes into 2016. For his sake, I hope he handles it in stride. For Doug's sake, I hope he implodes and is never the same again.

I see what you are saying. I honestly have no idea what his pitch count was in the minors. I only saw his IP. I figured it was comparable to the guy they mentioned (Ordorizzi and Ventura), as that is who they mentioned as examples.

Personally -- I'd rather them be safe than sorry with Fulmer. Unfortunately, I have a feeling he will be pitching as long as the Tigers are playing, as Verlander, Cabrera, Martinez aren't getting younger. As a fan, we will have to cross our fingers and wish for the best.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Agreed. Given the pizza baron's health and desire for a championship, I'd assume they'll be in a 'don't spare the horses' mode provided they remain in the hunt for a playoff berth.

Agree 100%. I truly wouldn't blame him either, as he has been one of the best owner's you can possibly have, in any sport. He did it with the Red Wings before they introduced the salary cap, and now he has done it with the Tigers -- spending way more than any mid-tier team should, but he does so without hesitation.

Granted he owns most of Detroit, a Casino, Little Ceasar's, etc. etc. etc. -- so he isn't hurting for money.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

They need Norris and Zimmerman to return reliable not just return.

Fulmer could use a ten-twelve day stretch out of the pen imo.

Without a doubt. Norris just needs to be serviceable, IMO. Zimmerman needs to pitch like a top of the rotation guy he resembled at the beginning of the year.

With Fulmer -- they won't move him to the pen, because they want to keep him stretched out as a starter. If he goes to the pen, it'd be for the rest of the season.

This is why we don't see Detroit moving Greene back to the rotation, who I think would be a big upgrade at the back end. They'd either have to give him a couple starts where he got up to 50, then 75 pitches or they'd send him to Toledo for a few starts.

It is so strange how teams handle pitchers, but I guess they have the analytics and statistical data that helps them with these decisions?

 

[broncosmitty]

Especially Zimmermann. Personally, I don't really know what Detroit has in him? He isn't the guy we saw in April...but hopefully he isn't the 6.43 ERA we saw in June. He has to return and pitch consistent 6-7 inning starts. As for Norris...I think it would be wise to take anything he adds this year as a gift.

Id like to see Zim be around a 4 ERA guy the rest of the way. The more innings the better for sure.

I never planned on much from Norris this year in the first place. If he can give a few starts Id be fine with him in the pen when Pelfrey gets back.

Seems weird to say that.

 

[broncosmitty]

Without a doubt. Norris just needs to be serviceable, IMO. Zimmerman needs to pitch like a top of the rotation guy he resembled at the beginning of the year.

With Fulmer -- they won't move him to the pen, because they want to keep him stretched out as a starter. If he goes to the pen, it'd be for the rest of the season.

This is why we don't see Detroit moving Greene back to the rotation, who I think would be a big upgrade at the back end. They'd either have to give him a couple starts where he got up to 50, then 75 pitches or they'd send him to Toledo for a few starts.

It is so strange how teams handle pitchers, but I guess they have the analytics and statistical data that helps them with these decisions?

I don't want to see him pitching back to back days or anything. But two skipped starts with three or four appearances, couple three innings max, keeps him active and cuts down innings.

I don't like to see a healthy guy sit for long stretches of time.

 

[Voltaire26]

Fuckin' A. They're monsters. Tribe's 4-7 against them this year. They own the Indians so far. Not unlike how the Indians own the Tigers, but not nearly as bad.

I wish it was similar to how the Indians owned the Tigers ... still games left though.

 

[Voltaire26]

Agree 100%. I truly wouldn't blame him either, as he has been one of the best owner's you can possibly have, in any sport. He did it with the Red Wings before they introduced the salary cap, and now he has done it with the Tigers -- spending way more than any mid-tier team should, but he does so without hesitation.

Granted he owns most of Detroit, a Casino, Little Ceasar's, etc. etc. etc. -- so he isn't hurting for money.

Dan Gilbert owns the rest of Detroit ... Cleveland, you can give us a little love for that!!!!

 

[dougplayer]

Doug...YOU can't handle the truth. You lack guts

Iffy. You a closet indian fan? Or are you on slinky swapping spit? I told you i'am a player. I don't waste time with pennies and nickels.

 

[dougplayer]

Doug...do you have an opinion on how many more starts Fulmer should make?

As soon as we get indians behind us. Sniffing tiger ass..give fulmer a rest. He is a big boy. Don't have to set a certain limit. Just don't burn him out

 

[dougplayer]

Fulmer. Vs sale.
Smart money on fulmer (mine).
Sale is still butt hurt about having to wear a throw back

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

I told you i'am a player. I don't waste time with pennies and nickels.

LOL.

No balls.