A.J. Jenkins

[TobyTyler]

Who will have a bigger 1st year, and career impact: AJ Jenkins or Michael Floyd?

Personally I prefer the 6'3" 220 lb receiver. The Cardinals now have 2 starting receivers that are 6'3" 220. Could be a scary combo, it could be better than Fitz & Boldin.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Floyd.

 

[deep9er]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Floyd.

based purely on stats?

yeah, he'll have more opportunity.

 

[TobyTyler]

based purely on stats?

yeah, he'll have more opportunity.

Yep. He's the type of receiver the Niners should have drafted. I think Jenkins' impact on the 49ers will be negligible.

 

[deep9er]

Yep. He's the type of receiver the Niners should have drafted. I think Jenkins' impact on the 49ers will be negligible.

wait, i meant better stats for year one only.

over their careers i have no comment, cause its simply too early. a LOT can change in the next 2-3 years on both teams, career stats has a lot to do with your team.

btw - what does "type of receiver" mean? name some prospects who were available?

 

[TobyTyler]

wait, i meant better stats for year one only.

over their careers i have no comment, cause its simply too early. a LOT can change in the next 2-3 years on both teams, career stats has a lot to do with your team.

btw - what does "type of receiver" mean? name some prospects who were available?

That's true. If the 49ers get a strong-armed QB who can throw deep and accurately, Jenkins could be of some use down the road. As for "what type of receiver" I mean big-bodied and strong who can use those assets to go up and get Smith's errant throws and can use it to keep defenders away from the ball. Floyd will be more of a mid range possession type receiver and probably is the only type Smith can be successful with. I don't see jenkins as anything more than a speed down the field guy who played in a pedestrian passing attack at Illinois who will get shut down by competent NFL corner men.

 

[deep9er]

That's true. If the 49ers get a strong-armed QB who can throw deep and accurately, Jenkins could be of some use down the road. As for "what type of receiver" I mean big-bodied and strong who can use those assets to go up and get Smith's errant throws and can use it to keep defenders away from the ball. Floyd will be more of a mid range possession type receiver and probably is the only type Smith can be successful with. I don't see jenkins as anything more than a speed down the field guy who played in a pedestrian passing attack at Illinois who will get shut down by competent NFL corner men.

your opinion is fine.

me.....at this point, no reason not to believe Ballke and Harbaugh? they see Jenkins able to play all three spots, which is projecting overall ability. i don't expect him to "do it all", but to settle on his best spot.

Jenkins isn't 'big bodied' but i'll take the WR who's 1-3 yards clear, over someone who needs to "wrestle" it away. as far as inaccuracy, you're only looking at THIS season, whereas i see Alex Smith as a stop gap.

did read Jenkins has trouble getting off the line, so maybe early on he's more the slot in motion? anyways, i'd rather be optimistic than pessimistic, we'll see how it goes?

 

[TobyTyler]

your opinion is fine.

me.....at this point, no reason not to believe Ballke and Harbaugh? they see Jenkins able to play all three spots, which is projecting overall ability. i don't expect him to "do it all", but to settle on his best spot.

Jenkins isn't 'big bodied' but i'll take the WR who's 1-3 yards clear, over someone who needs to "wrestle" it away. as far as inaccuracy, you're only looking at THIS season, whereas i see Alex Smith as a stop gap.

did read Jenkins has trouble getting off the line, so maybe early on he's more the slot in motion? anyways, i'd rather be optimistic than pessimistic, we'll see how it goes?

If that's the case I believe your optimism may have merit.

 

[deep9er]

If that's the case I believe your optimism may have merit.

better teams (not just offenses) tend to have players with better stats - offense and defense.

 

[Bemular]

Crimson, I know you spent a lot of time putting your response together and I appreciate it, but not only was your post riddled with exaggerated, nearly impossible to support claims it couldn't be more off point.

Clearly, you are unfamiliar with what is a Return Specialist. There are Kick Returners (KR's), there are Punt Returners (PR's) and there are Return Specialists (RS's). Return Specialists perform BOTH functions.

Now, in your defense and thanks to (too) many lazy media personnel these distinctions have become blurred over the years but the distinctions remain just the same.

Technically, Ginn is not a PR and he is not a KR, he is a RS. The offensive production statistics I posted were derived from the top 15 RS's in the league, which, btw, was almost all of them. Everything I posted was precise so there is really no need to debate this point further.

Besides, as I mentioned in my post:

"The point of sharing this information isn't to draw the conclusion that Ginn is better than Williams or even that he is better than he is. But to at least provide some contrast and comparison to others in the league who were functioning in a similar role."

In other words, the information isn't meant to change anyone's mind, but it is valid information nonetheless that can, and perhaps should be considered. In the end, I think Ginn does more for our team in "his role" than some, perhaps many, including yourself, think he does.

 

[TobyTyler]

better teams (not just offenses) tend to have players with better stats - offense and defense.

Not sure I agree with that at all but a better qb will definitely improve jenkins' chances of success.

 

[Jikkle]

That's true. If the 49ers get a strong-armed QB who can throw deep and accurately, Jenkins could be of some use down the road. As for "what type of receiver" I mean big-bodied and strong who can use those assets to go up and get Smith's errant throws and can use it to keep defenders away from the ball. Floyd will be more of a mid range possession type receiver and probably is the only type Smith can be successful with. I don't see jenkins as anything more than a speed down the field guy who played in a pedestrian passing attack at Illinois who will get shut down by competent NFL corner men.

I don't think Harbaugh and Baalke are building around Smith and what he can and can't do. They are just adding pieces to build an effective offense regardless of who's QB.

If Smith can't get it done they you bet they'll find someone who will and if he can get it done than that's fine with them too.

If Jenkins can work on his body and get stronger without losing speed than I see him as an effective piece of the offense. Every offense needs a guy like him and the hardest thing to defend has and always will be speed.

I don't think it's an either a big body guy or speed guy situation when the fact is we can use both. We just saw the speed guy as better value and a far bigger need than the big bodied guy.

 

[MHSL82]

I don't think Harbaugh and Baalke are building around Smith and what he can and can't do. They are just adding pieces to build an effective offense regardless of who's QB.

If Smith can't get it done they you bet they'll find someone who will and if he can get it done than that's fine with them too.

If Jenkins can work on his body and get stronger without losing speed than I see him as an effective piece of the offense. Every offense needs a guy like him and the hardest thing to defend has and always will be speed.

I don't think it's an either a big body guy or speed guy situation when the fact is we can use both. We just saw the speed guy as better value and a far bigger need than the big bodied guy.

Exactly! Don't get how people are saying the the FO is bent on getting CK on the field. I also don't get that article that was saying the draft showed further that Harbaalke was set with Smith. They will build their offense and let Alex get the first crack at it. Then, they will keep him until he shows he can't do it. Some are convinced that he can't or has shown that he can't; the FO is more practical and methodical in their approach... or CK's not ready. Either way, I like what the FO is doing draft-wise, personnel-wise, and timewise.

 

[clyde_carbon]

Exactly! Don't get how people are saying the the FO is bent on getting CK on the field. I also don't get that article that was saying the draft showed further that Harbaalke was set with Smith. They will build their offense and let Alex get the first crack at it. Then, they will keep him until he shows he can't do it. Some are convinced that he can't or has shown that he can't; the FO is more practical and methodical in their approach... or CK's not ready. Either way, I like what the FO is doing draft-wise, personnel-wise, and timewise.

I think that depends on who you talk to in the FO. If you talk to Baalke I think he prefers CK, but if you talk to Harbaugh I think he prefers Alex at this point.

 

[MHSL82]

I think that depends on who you talk to in the FO. If you talk to Baalke I think he prefers CK, but if you talk to Harbaugh I think he prefers Alex at this point.

True dat. What I should have said was some people act like CK is going to go up next regardless of how Alex does or CK progresses. I am 100% confident that Harbaugh and Baalke will move on to CK when it's clear he's progressed or they won't go with him at all if he doesn't or Alex surprises everyone. I bet CK will progress to that point, I just think people take it as a given. On the flip side, people really can't think that these draft moves were made for Alex more than for the team in the future (regardless of QB), could they? I would say though that they were made to find out and remove any obstacles to Alex/CK's success.

 

[I_am_1z]

I think that depends on who you talk to in the FO. If you talk to Baalke I think he prefers CK, but if you talk to Harbaugh I think he prefers Alex at this point.

I'm going to have to disagree here. The 2nd round pick seems to be the HC's very own guy. From Mays, who we found out with Singletary's guy, to CK, who really seems like a Harbaugh type of QB, to LaMichael James, who Harbaugh was near drooling about and remembers playing against vs Stanford.

 

[clyde_carbon]

I'm going to have to disagree here. The 2nd round pick seems to be the HC's very own guy. From Mays, who we found out with Singletary's guy, to CK, who really seems like a Harbaugh type of QB, to LaMichael James, who Harbaugh was near drooling about and remembers playing against vs Stanford.

Oh I definitely think CK is also Harbaugh's guy, but AT THIS POINT, I think he prefers Alex.

I personally agree with Baalke.

 

[Flyingiguana]

I think that depends on who you talk to in the FO. If you talk to Baalke I think he prefers CK, but if you talk to Harbaugh I think he prefers Alex at this point.

smith is a qb drafted by the old regime. well a few regimes ago. i think both prefer ck but realize he's a work in progress.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

Crimson, I know you spent a lot of time putting your response together and I appreciate it, but not only was your post riddled with exaggerated, nearly impossible to support claims it couldn't be more off point.

Clearly, you are unfamiliar with what is a Return Specialist. There are Kick Returners (KR's), there are Punt Returners (PR's) and there are Return Specialists (RS's). Return Specialists perform BOTH functions.

Now, in your defense and thanks to (too) many lazy media personnel these distinctions have become blurred over the years but the distinctions remain just the same.

Technically, Ginn is not a PR and he is not a KR, he is a RS. The offensive production statistics I posted were derived from the top 15 RS's in the league, which, btw, was almost all of them. Everything I posted was precise so there is really no need to debate this point further.

Besides, as I mentioned in my post:

"The point of sharing this information isn't to draw the conclusion that Ginn is better than Williams or even that he is better than he is. But to at least provide some contrast and comparison to others in the league who were functioning in a similar role."

In other words, the information isn't meant to change anyone's mind, but it is valid information nonetheless that can, and perhaps should be considered. In the end, I think Ginn does more for our team in "his role" than some, perhaps many, including yourself, think he does.

Why am I not surprised that you won't address your incorrect numbers?

If I'm looking at the wrong players, which 15 guys were you looking at and why did you select them? I provided my criteria: guys who returned at least five of BOTH punts and kickoffs. You've apparently provided nothing more than imaginary numbers.

This shit is why I accuse you of being MW. This is exactly his game. Throw out numbers, get challenged, and respond by calling the questioner (usually me or Imac) ignorant and refuse to actually address the challenge.

Tell us where your numbers come from or just admit you're wrong. And btw, incorrect information is, by definition, not valid.

 

[Yadahell]

AJ was just on the Jim Rome radio show. Talked about his cousin busting down the bathroom door when he got drafted, his pre-draft meeting with the 49ers, and his nickname of "E.T." (because of his long fingers) in high school. Interviewed very well. I throw up a link when one is available.....

 

[deep9er]

Not sure I agree with that at all but a better qb will definitely improve jenkins' chances of success.

my post said 'TEND to have' cause i know there are exceptions.

your post says ".......that at all" which says better teams don't have better stats period.

if we went to check all individual categories in the 2011 NFL stats, would you expect to see more players from play-off teams, or more from non-playoff teams? players on good teams tend to get better stats because they feed off good play from their 'mates.