8 HOFers MLB Draft Playoff Game 5 : WLK vs Bums

[da55bums]

Manny is 15th though

 

[da55bums]

these seem to get voted on by strongest players, crap they are all about even (except Bonds/Ruth combo), it comes down to the weakest players.

I have great weak players, lol (yes strange to say out loud too)

 

[UK Cowboy]

these seem to get voted on by strongest players, crap they are all about even (except Bonds/Ruth combo), it comes down to the weakest players.

I have great weak players, lol (yes strange to say out loud too)

That's kind of what it is in all sports though, at all levels. Even in the Dream Team practices, it would still come down to which side had MJ and Magic

 

[da55bums]

That's kind of what it is in all sports though, at all levels. Even in the Dream Team practices, it would still come down to which side had MJ and Magic

agree - but you have to have the Kerr, Pippen and Kareem's that make the difference. You and me playing with MJ and Magic isn't going to give them a chance but it will give us great seats for the action.

 

[wlk3]

agree - but you have to have the Kerr, Pippen and Kareem's that make the difference. You and me playing with MJ and Magic isn't going to give them a chance but it will give us great seats for the action.

I agree here but I feel I have smaller weak spots... I have great hitting, excellent power, and good speed... My rotation is top 5 in the draft IMO, my BP is my weakness but I felt I found some good guys including a Cy Young winner... My bench was selected as situational for my bottom order guys or a leadoff pinch hit... All of my guys are multiple gold glovers except Hack and Williams but I don't believe GG was given out back then but I read Hack was a beast defensively and Williams was average... I honestly think I have the better team, while you show different lineups, you must acknowledge they have to play in the field too... I don't think the different lineups make up for the defensive difference just to say I can change sides of the plate...

 

[Nosferatu]

We still need votes from @broncosmitty & @mr.hockey4242

 

[da55bums]

LINEUP
1. Nap Lajoie - 2B - (R) HOF-150
2. Bob Johnson - LF - (R)-139
3. Alex Rodriguez - SS - (R) HOF-142
4. Jimmie Foxx - 1B - (R) HOF-163
5. Mike Schmidt - 3B - (R) HOF-147
6. Johnny Bench - C - (R) HOF-126
7. Ross Barnes - 2B - (R)-167
8. Pete Browning - RF - (R)-163
9. Willie Wilson - CF - (B)-94

BENCH
Graig Nettles - 3B - (L)-110
Babe Herman - RF - (L)-141
Benny Kauff - CF - (L)-149
Levi Meyerle - 2B/3B - (R)-163
Tom Haller - C - (L)-114

ROTATION
1. Clayton Kershaw (L) HOF-154
2. Mordecai Brown (R) HOF-139
3. Noodles Hahn (L)-132
4. Smoky Joe Wood (R)-147
5. Sam McDowell (L)-112

BULLPEN
Dennis Eckersley (R) HOF-136 (as a reliever)
Jeff Reardon (R)-122
Gary Lavelle (L)-126
Roy Face (R)-109
Al Hrabosky (L)-122

those are OPS+ and ERA+ numbers on my players. I will put my lineup vs righty or lefty against anyones, up and down the order and bench.

My staff has pretty high era+ but can't compete probably against Nos's.

I did not look up "defensive numbers" but there is no way you did for my team, your just saying that your team is better defensively and you could be correct but I see a lot of GG next to many of my players seasons (well the ones after GG started, lol)

 

[da55bums]

4 guys with 163 OPS+, get outta here

for reference Mike Trout is currently at 167, Miguel Cabrera 155, Bryce Harper 143

 

[wlk3]

4 guys with 163 OPS+, get outta here

for reference Mike Trout is currently at 167, Miguel Cabrera 155, Bryce Harper 143

I'm gonna be honest, I don't know what ops+ nor era+ means... I wasn't really referring to your team in my post I was talking about mine... I was saying I wasn't going to change lineups based on pitching when I field great defenders as well as hitters... I'd lose much to much... I'd argue the same in terms of the players you selected to start in the field... Just my opinion though...

 

[da55bums]

WLK

LINEUP
1. Stan Hack - 3B - (L)-119
2. Tony Gwynn - RF - (L) HOF-132
3. Ted Williams - LF - (L) HOF-190
4. Ken Griffey Jr. - CF - (L) HOF-136
5. Manny Ramirez - DH - (R) HOF-154
6. Keith Hernandez - 1B - (L)-128
7. Ivan Rodriguez - C - (R) HOF-106
8. Bobby Grich - 2B - (R)-125
9. Maury Wills - SS - (B)-88

BENCH
Walker Cooper - C - (R)-116
Manny Mota - OF/PH - (R)-112
Ron Leflore - CF/PR - (R)-104
Ron Cey - 3B - (R)-121
Rusty Staub - RF/1B - (L)-124

ROTATION
1. Lefty Grove (L) HOF-148
2. Bob Gibson (R) HOF-127
3. Jim Palmer (R) HOF-125
4. Mickey Lolich (L)-104
5. Rick Sutcliffe (R)-97

BULLPEN
Dave Righetti (L)-114
Mike Marshall (R)-118
Firpo Marberry (R)-116
Jeff Montgomery (R)-135
Darold Knowles (L)-113

just to be fair and so you understand what I looked at. Looks like you probably have me defensively, the old guys I guess couldn't bend over on the few I looked at.

 

[wlk3]

WLK

LINEUP
1. Stan Hack - 3B - (L)-119
2. Tony Gwynn - RF - (L) HOF-132
3. Ted Williams - LF - (L) HOF-190
4. Ken Griffey Jr. - CF - (L) HOF-136
5. Manny Ramirez - DH - (R) HOF-154
6. Keith Hernandez - 1B - (L)-128
7. Ivan Rodriguez - C - (R) HOF-106
8. Bobby Grich - 2B - (R)-125
9. Maury Wills - SS - (B)-88

BENCH
Walker Cooper - C - (R)-116
Manny Mota - OF/PH - (R)-112
Ron Leflore - CF/PR - (R)-104
Ron Cey - 3B - (R)-121
Rusty Staub - RF/1B - (L)-124

ROTATION
1. Lefty Grove (L) HOF-148
2. Bob Gibson (R) HOF-127
3. Jim Palmer (R) HOF-125
4. Mickey Lolich (L)-104
5. Rick Sutcliffe (R)-97

BULLPEN
Dave Righetti (L)-114
Mike Marshall (R)-118
Firpo Marberry (R)-116
Jeff Montgomery (R)-135
Darold Knowles (L)-113

just to be fair and so you understand what I looked at. Looks like you probably have me defensively, the old guys I guess couldn't bend over on the few I looked at.

Lol... It took me a while but I did I the same thing...


LINEUP
1. Stan Hack - 3B - (L) - 119
2. Tony Gwynn - RF - (L) HOF - 132
3. Ted Williams - LF - (L) HOF - 190
4. Ken Griffey Jr. - CF - (L) HOF - 136
5. Manny Ramirez - DH - (R) HOF - 154
6. Keith Hernandez - 1B - (L) - 128
7. Ivan Rodriguez - C - (R) HOF - 106
8. Bobby Grich - 2B - (R) - 125
9. Maury Wills - SS - (B) - 88

BENCH
Walker Cooper - C - (R) - 116
Manny Mota - OF/PH - (R) - 112
Ron Leflore - CF/PR - (R) - 104
Ron Cey - 3B - (R) - 121
Rusty Staub - RF/1B - (L) - 124

ROTATION
1. Lefty Grove (L) HOF - 148
2. Bob Gibson (R) HOF - 127
3. Jim Palmer (R) HOF - 125
4. Mickey Lolich (L) - 104
5. Rick Sutcliffe (R) - 97

BULLPEN
Dave Righetti (L) - 114
Mike Marshall (R) - 118
Firpo Marberry (R) - 116
Jeff Montgomery (R) - 135
Darold Knowles (L) - 113

 

[Nosferatu]

How funny is it that WLK spent all that time doing his team and if he had just waited Bums did it for him. lolzzz

Great teams fellas. Just my opinion but OPS+ and ERA+ aren't the end all in deciding the best team.

 

[Nosferatu]

@broncosmitty @mr.hockey4242

Please vote in this game...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

How funny is it that WLK spent all that time doing his team and if he had just waited Bums did it for him. lolzzz

Great teams fellas. Just my opinion but OPS+ and ERA+ aren't the end all in deciding the best team.

agreed... especially since longevity is irrelevant... many players have GREAT seasons, but then later on seasons will bring down any ratio stat, including ERA+ and OPS+

 

[MilkSpiller22]

hell, levi Meyerle who has 164 OPS+ only played 307 games in his whole career... players like that is why if bums wins this will lose my vote vs any of the other 4 teams left...

 

[wlk3]

How funny is it that WLK spent all that time doing his team and if he had just waited Bums did it for him. lolzzz

Great teams fellas. Just my opinion but OPS+ and ERA+ aren't the end all in deciding the best team.

That's not funny at all sir... I would like to change my vote vs 500...

 

[Nosferatu]

agreed... especially since longevity is irrelevant... many players have GREAT seasons, but then later on seasons will bring down any ratio stat, including ERA+ and OPS+

Bingo, for example...

If you believe Levi Meyerle 163 who had 1400 AB's back in the 1870's is better than Manny Ramirez 154 you are coo coo for cocoa puffs...

 

[wlk3]

How funny is it that WLK spent all that time doing his team and if he had just waited Bums did it for him. lolzzz

Great teams fellas. Just my opinion but OPS+ and ERA+ aren't the end all in deciding the best team.

agreed... especially since longevity is irrelevant... many players have GREAT seasons, but then later on seasons will bring down any ratio stat, including ERA+ and OPS+

After going back and forth looking at all of that and reading up on Bob Johnson some things started to come to mind both of those quotes are the main things... If ops+ is the measuring stick in which tells us who's better, then Pete Browning and Levi Meyerlee are better hitters than Ken Griffey Jr, Tony Gwynn and Manny... I just don't see that no matter how much I look into it...

 

[wlk3]

Bingo, for example...

If you believe Levi Meyerle 163 who had 1400 AB's back in the 1870's is better than Manny Ramirez 154 you are coo coo for cocoa puffs...

Damn you fast typing already knowing baseball bastid! You stole my point and posted it first!

 

[broncosmitty]

I'm not a WAR guy, but career WAR has merit.