4th CFP Rankings

[4down20]

Depends on how the formulas are written, now doesn’t it?

There are 104 of them and those are the averages.

Why is it so hard to just accept a conference might have teams that are better than other conferences on average?

 

[ralphiewvu]

He's a dumbass because until recently most of the conferences did have 8 game schedules and it didn't make a shit bit of difference in the rankings.

If it means so much, why does the ACC only have 2 ranked teams in the top25?

Yeah, you would be taking teams from 9 games to 8 and MOST LIKELY adding wins because that extra OOC is LIKELY against a G5 team. That means a 7-5 goes to 8-4 or an 8-4 team goes to 9-3. That likely means those teams are ranked. 5-7/6-6 teams go to 6-6/7-5 resulting in more bowl bids and a higher sense said conference was better.

It means a hell of a lot more than you think it does.

 

[Yo Tee]

i do actually and I think UCF are a good team but they wouldn't be undefeated if they played a power five schedule. If Alabama lose to Georgia you can't tell me they are better than Alabama. I also don't think they are better than Oklahoma, Ohio State or Georgia for that matter. If they played only power five for non-conference games they would have a much better shot at getting in.

No, that wasn't what you said. You said UCF plays too many FCS teams, when, if you fact check, we play the same amount as everyone else unless.

 

[4down20]

Yeah, you would be taking teams from 9 games to 8 and MOST LIKELY adding wins because that extra OOC is LIKELY against a G5 team. That means a 7-5 goes to 8-4 or an 8-4 team goes to 9-3. That likely means those teams are ranked. 5-7/6-6 teams go to 6-6/7-5 resulting in more bowl bids and a higher sense said conference was better.

It means a hell of a lot more than you think it does.

Then why didn't it work before when they had 8 teams?

 

[BamaDude]

They don't need one SEC schools don't want to risk one.

Let's take a look a reality: Big 10 East co-champ & championship game qualifier Ohio St. is 11-1 (8-1 in conference play). The loss was a 49-20 blowout to a Purdue team that finished 6-6 & tied for 2nd in the B-10 West with a 5-4 record. Purdue lost home non-conference games to 8-4 Missouri (which tied for 4th in the SEC East) and Eastern Michigan, which finished 7-5 & was in a 3-way tie for 2nd in the MAC West. The Buckeyes' biggest non-conference win was their 42-6 slaughter of a 6-6 Tulane team that was in a 3-way tie for first place in the AAC West.

Michigan (10-2, 8-1) lost the head-to-head against OSU in the East. The only OOC loss was a close one to unbeaten Notre Dame. The Wolverines had a 3-point win over Big 10 West champ Northwestern & a blowout win over 7-5 Wisconsin, which was in a 3-way tie for 2nd in the West. Also a 14-point win over B-10 East 4th place team Michigan St. & a blowout of 3rd place Penn St. Biggest non-conference win was the 49-3 mauling of the MAC's Western Michigan (7-5), which was in a 3-way tie for 2nd place in the MAC West.

Penn St. was 3rd in the East with 9-3 & 6-3 marks & an upset loss to Michigan St. to go along with their defeats against Ohio St. (by one point) & Michigan (by 42-7). The Nittany Lions beat two of the teams (Iowa & Wisconsin) that tied for 2nd in the Big 10 West. They had two big non-conference wins: 45-38 in OT against SBC East co-champs Appalachian St. (9-20) & 51-6 over a 7-5 Pittsburgh team that managed to win the ACC Coastal division.

 

[BamaDude]

The Big 10 West was won by an 8-4 Northwestern team that lost all 3 of its OOC games: 21-7 to a 7-5 Duke squad that was 6th in the ACC Coastal; 39-34 to 4-7 Akron, which tied for 4th place in the MAC East; and a respectable 10 point loss to unbeaten Notre Dame. All of these losses were at home. The only conference loss - also at home - came against Michigan.

In the Big 12, first-place Oklahoma's only loss was the 48-45 shootout vs Texas, which finished #2 in the league. The Sooners had wins over both teams that tied for third (37-27 at 7-4 Iowa St. & 59-56 at 8-3 West Virginia. Biggest non-conference win came at home in OT, 28-21, against 9-2 Army, which had the 2nd best record among independents. The Sooners are 11-1 & 8-1 going into the B-12 championship game.

Texas is 9-3 & 7-2, with their OOC loss coming against 5-7 Maryland, with finished #5 in the Big 10 East & was blown out at home by ACC East runner-up, Temple. The Longhorns conference losses were to co-#3 team West Virginia & an Oklahoma St. team that finished in a 3-way tie for 7th place. There were no OOC wins of any consequence.

Iowa St. (7-4 & 6-3) and West Virginia (8-3, 6-3) had no significant non-conference wins.

 

[BamaDude]

Pac-12 North co-champ, Washington, 9-3 & 7-2, lost its season opener to an Auburn team that finished 7-5 & in 5th place in the SEC West. The Huskies managed to lose in OT to Pac-North #4 Oregon & by 2 points at 5th place California. But they knocked off co-#1 Washington St. 28-15 in the snow to earn the tie-breaker into the P-12 title game. They also had wins over North #3 Stanford and the top two teams in the South, 9-3 Utah & 7-5 Arizona St. There were no significant OOC wins.

Co-champs Washington St. finished 10-2 & 7-2, with the home loss to Washington & a 36-29 road upset vs USC, which finished 5-7 & tied Arizona for 3rd place in the Pac-South. The Huskies had wins over South champ Utah, and every Pac-north team except Washington. There were no significant OOC wins.

Stanford is 7-4 & 5-3, with a make-up game remaining against Cal. In their only meaningful OOC game the Cardinal lost 38-17 at unbeaten Notre Dame. Oregon finished 8-4 & 5-4, with no significant OOC games. California is 7-4 & 4-4 pending its game vs Stanford. The Golden Bears also had no non-conference games of any substance.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Then why didn't it work before when they had 8 teams?

Who said it didn’t work? Just because they changed it doesn’t mean it didn’t work. They thought they could make it better and conference teams actually play each other more than once in 4 years.

I take no issues with the ACC and the SEC only playing 8 conference games. It’s smart of them to do it. But don’t sit there and say it’s no a big advantage. You’re lying to yourself and everyone else.

 

[BamaDude]

Pac-12 South champ, Utah, is 9-3 & 6-3, with in-conference losses to Washington, Washington St. & Arizona St. The Utes' best non-conference win was 17-6 at MAC West champ Northern Illinois.

Arizona St. was second in the South, finishing 7-5 & 5-4. The Sun Devils' only loss to a fellow Pac-South team was to 6th place Colorado, which finished 5-7 & 2-7. They had a non-conference loss to 7-5 San Diego St., which finished 4th in the MWC-West. best non-conference win was 16-13 over Michigan St., which was 7-5 & 5-4 in the Big 10 East.

 

[BamaDude]

Who said it didn’t work? Just because they changed it doesn’t mean it didn’t work. They thought they could make it better and conference teams actually play each other more than once in 4 years.

I take no issues with the ACC and the SEC only playing 8 conference games. It’s smart of them to do it. But don’t sit there and say it’s no a big advantage. You’re lying to yourself and everyone else.

If you win the majority of those games, then, yes, it works to your advantage. If you don't, it works against you.

 

[4down20]

Who said it didn’t work? Just because they changed it doesn’t mean it didn’t work. They thought they could make it better and conference teams actually play each other more than once in 4 years.

I take no issues with the ACC and the SEC only playing 8 conference games. It’s smart of them to do it. But don’t sit there and say it’s no a big advantage. You’re lying to yourself and everyone else.

It's not as big an advantage as people make it out to be, aka an excuse for their conferences weakness.

I'm not sure why people seem to think rankings are done the exact opposite of what it is, however it's literally impossible for "ranked" and "unranked" to come into the discussion of the top teams. In order for that to happen, the bottom teams would have be ranked first.

I have no idea why the hell people don't understand that.

So what actually happens is the other way around, the top teams are ranked. And nobody is sitting around thinking Miss St is going to be ranked. They start at the other end, who should be #1. And then they go to #2, etc.

And I also don't understand why people act like there is the #25 team and everyone after that equally sucks. Just because a team isn't "ranked" doesn't mean it's not just as good as the #25 team etc, they just weren't in that list. Especially when given they start at the top, not the bottom.

Furthermore they are smart enough to take SoS into account when it comes to those records. If playing that extra conference game truly added strength, then they will see that.

So it's actually more likely that Alabama and Clemson being ranked so high doesn't hurt a team like A&M very much when they get down to the lower ranks. They'll look at their record and say - but those losses came to those 2 teams, and they don't get punished as much. That is how conferences like the SEC actually get more ranked teams.

It plain and simple does not work the way some people here seem to think it does. And even if it did, the majority of those losses are felt by the bottom teams, there is little to no effect on the top25. It only takes being a top60ish team to make a bowl. 8 game conferences might lead to like 1 extra bowl game appearance every now and then if the records just happen to work out that way.

Nothing more than people who don't know what the fuck they are talking about making a mountain out of a molehill and why anyone who pays these idiots like Kannell to say that shit should be ashamed.

 

[BamaDude]

To put it in simpler terms: the Big 10 West champion couldn't win a single one of its 3 non-conference games. Big 12 #2 team & conference title game contender played three OOC teams with losing records & lost to one of them. Pac-12 North co-champ Washington lost the only non-conference game they played against an FBS team with a winning record (7-5 Auburn), and Pac-South champ Utah squeezed past a 7-5 No. Illinois team on the road for their only OOC win vs an FBS team with a winning record. Both Pac-12 teams beat 6-6 BYU.

 

[ralphiewvu]

It's not as big an advantage as people make it out to be, aka an excuse for their conferences weakness.

I'm not sure why people seem to think rankings are done the exact opposite of what it is, however it's literally impossible for "ranked" and "unranked" to come into the discussion of the top teams. In order for that to happen, the bottom teams would have be ranked first.

I have no idea why the hell people don't understand that.

So what actually happens is the other way around, the top teams are ranked. And nobody is sitting around thinking Miss St is going to be ranked. They start at the other end, who should be #1. And then they go to #2, etc.

And I also don't understand why people act like there is the #25 team and everyone after that equally sucks. Just because a team isn't "ranked" doesn't mean it's not just as good as the #25 team etc, they just weren't in that list. Especially when given they start at the top, not the bottom.

Furthermore they are smart enough to take SoS into account when it comes to those records. If playing that extra conference game truly added strength, then they will see that.

So it's actually more likely that Alabama and Clemson being ranked so high doesn't hurt a team like A&M very much when they get down to the lower ranks. They'll look at their record and say - but those losses came to those 2 teams, and they don't get punished as much. That is how conferences like the SEC actually get more ranked teams.

It plain and simple does not work the way some people here seem to think it does. And even if it did, the majority of those losses are felt by the bottom teams, there is little to no effect on the top25. It only takes being a top60ish team to make a bowl. 8 game conferences might lead to like 1 extra bowl game appearance every now and then if the records just happen to work out that way.

Nothing more than people who don't know what the fuck they are talking about making a mountain out of a molehill and why anyone who pays these idiots like Kannell to say that shit should be ashamed.

I don’t understand why people who hold an advantage down play that advantage to the point that there isn’t one.

It actually isn’t impossible for ranked and unranked to come into the discussion of top teams. Hell people are talking about it when comparing Ohio State and OU.

When comparing resumes, people will look at the ranked teams people have played/defeated. Like the arbitrary number 25 or not it’s still used. Nothing you say is going to change that.

Also taken into account for SOS is teams records. It’s more common that a team that has an 8-4 record is a tougher out than a team that has a 7-5 record in the same conference. That’s where this extra win/higher record/ inflated ranking comes from.

An you can spin how the SEC gets more ranked teams bs all you want, but anyone that has common sense will see playing someone from the sunbelt over playing someone from the SEC more often then not gives teams an extra win which leads them to a better chance to get ranked.

It doesn’t effect the top 25? I challenge that bs right with the SEC. Missouri, Miss St and Texas AnM are all fringe top 25 teams right now. You replace one of their 4 ooc games with a conference game and you are looking at most likely 2 of them losing a game. That means 2 of them are out of the top 25 and a team like Alabama losing (doubtful) Saturday having not quite the resume or SOS they have now.

It’s really not that hard to understand

 

[4down20]

I don’t understand why people who hold an advantage down play that advantage to the point that there isn’t one.

It actually isn’t impossible for ranked and unranked to come into the discussion of top teams. Hell people are talking about it when comparing Ohio State and OU.

When comparing resumes, people will look at the ranked teams people have played/defeated. Like the arbitrary number 25 or not it’s still used. Nothing you say is going to change that.

Also taken into account for SOS is teams records. It’s more common that a team that has an 8-4 record is a tougher out than a team that has a 7-5 record in the same conference. That’s where this extra win/higher record/ inflated ranking comes from.

An you can spin how the SEC gets more ranked teams bs all you want, but anyone that has common sense will see playing someone from the sunbelt over playing someone from the SEC more often then not gives teams an extra win which leads them to a better chance to get ranked.

It doesn’t effect the top 25? I challenge that bs right with the SEC. Missouri, Miss St and Texas AnM are all fringe top 25 teams right now. You replace one of their 4 ooc games with a conference game and you are looking at most likely 2 of them losing a game. That means 2 of them are out of the top 25 and a team like Alabama losing (doubtful) Saturday having not quite the resume or SOS they have now.

It’s really not that hard to understand

Who gives a shit what people on a forum or on tv talk about?

How the fuck can the people who do the ranks talk about teams they haven't ranked yet?

Duh.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Who gives a shit what people on a forum or on tv talk about?

How the fuck can the people who do the ranks talk about teams they haven't ranked yet?

Duh.

Ahh because it’s something to talk about? Also it’s what the committee talks about? Unless you are under some impression resumes don’t include beating ranked teams.

WTf are you talking about? Teams are already ranked. We aren’t talking about before the season in July here. We are talking end of the regular season ranking for who can make the playoffs.

Duh

 

[Yo Tee]

Spell it how you want, but Memphis only lost by a point first time around

How’s UCF’s QB situation? Same QB from first matchup?

NEXT

We won.

 

[handicappers]

We won.

Congrats. Y’all gonna make up your own trophy again after getting left out of playoffs?

 

[thunderc]

There are 104 of them and those are the averages.

Why is it so hard to just accept a conference might have teams that are better than other conferences on average?

When everyone schedules the same it will be much easier to determine that.

 

[4down20]

When everyone schedules the same it will be much easier to determine that.

OOC games between conferences is the only way to make it easier to determine that.

The Big12 always seems to be easy wins for the SEC in OOC.

 

[thunderc]

OOC games between conferences is the only way to make it easier to determine that.

The Big12 always seems to be easy wins for the SEC in OOC.

All I know is OU has a good record against the SEC to say the least. Quit scheduling 4 out of conference games against mainly patsies if you really want respect.