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Been sayin' this from day one. Early in the season, Wentz was getting hit as soon as he hit his back foot. The line is ranked 30th in pass pro win rate by PFF....but everybody wanted to blame Carson. We got the same results with Heinike, with less potential for explosive plays. Taylor was winning and looked good because of ROBINSON.... dassit!
wince is not worth what we gave up to get him and its on the staff for making the trade and letting all pro guards walk and expect retreads to fill in . they also let flowers walk and its the trade that stripped them of cap space

and now you will see that wince cant carry a team and needs help just like the BU QB falco
 

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wince is not worth what we gave up to get him and its on the staff for making the trade and letting all pro guards walk and expect retreads to fill in . they also let flowers walk and its the trade that stripped them of cap space

and now you will see that wince cant carry a team and needs help just like the BU QB falco
Ummm.... No one has any idea if Wentz is worth the trade, including you. How do you evaluate ANY QB behind a line that's 30th in pass pro?

...I'll wait.
 

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$26 million if fairly cheap for an NFL QB these days
 

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Ummm.... No one has any idea if Wentz is worth the trade, including you. How do you evaluate ANY QB behind a line that's 30th in pass pro?

...I'll wait.
i certainly do know it wasnt worth it . wince without the defense and running game is no different then falco needing that to win games as well . we would have been right here , right now without making the wince trade . a guy we could have picked up on waivers

we gave up 3 potential starters for most likely a one year rental
 

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i certainly do know it wasnt worth it . wince without the defense and running game is no different then falco needing that to win games as well . we would have been right here , right now without making the wince trade . a guy we could have picked up on waivers

we gave up 3 potential starters for most likely a one year rental
Your commentary is beyond absurd. 'Wentz without the running game and defense is no different than falco'... OF COURSE! Are you even serious right now dad? If Wentz had that D and run game, we'd have put up a TON more points. Why? Because he can hit those deep throws in stride, without the receiver needing to make acrobatic adjustments and losing the ball in the sun (Dotson). Wentz also didn't throw up 5 to 7 ducks per game, two of which should have been intercepted (thankfully dropped). Even behind that trash line, Wentz is CLEARLY better. If we give him decent blocking, he will get it done. Your boy Falco should never see the field again in our or any other jersey.
 

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The actual trade was Wentz, Phil Mathis and Christian Holmes for 2nd and 3rd in 2022 and a 3rd in 2023. Probably an overpay as Irsay is looking like a worse owner than Dan and that is hard to do. They could have got him cheaper.
 

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Your commentary is beyond absurd. 'Wentz without the running game and defense is no different than falco'... OF COURSE! Are you even serious right now dad? If Wentz had that D and run game, we'd have put up a TON more points. Why? Because he can hit those deep throws in stride, without the receiver needing to make acrobatic adjustments and losing the ball in the sun (Dotson). Wentz also didn't throw up 5 to 7 ducks per game, two of which should have been intercepted (thankfully dropped). Even behind that trash line, Wentz is CLEARLY better. If we give him decent blocking, he will get it done. Your boy Falco should never see the field again in our or any other jersey.
the point you are missing is wince needed help . you are saying he would have done such and such with a running game and defense , the same things falco needed to go 5-3-1 ! . all the good things that wince can do better then falco should have been done before and led to victories except other parts of wince's game cancel that out . sure he has a bigger arm , but he isnt any more accurate

you say wince needs a running game and defense to be successful . i agree so does falco the career BU, yes wince is the better qb but how much better ? 2 previous teams said he wasnt the answer
 

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the point you are missing is wince needed help . you are saying he would have done such and such with a running game and defense , the same things falco needed to go 5-3-1 ! . all the good things that wince can do better then falco should have been done before and led to victories except other parts of wince's game cancel that out . sure he has a bigger arm , but he isnt any more accurate

you say wince needs a running game and defense to be successful . i agree so does falco the career BU, yes wince is the better qb but how much better ? 2 previous teams said he wasnt the answer
So you're just gonna ignore the impact of Brian Robinson, Jackson III and Turner's play calling then.... ok cool.

If you wanna slurp Taylor, just say that... Heinike has had YEARS in this playbook. Wentz has had about 30 seconds and STILL looks better, with no D and no run game. All QBs need help. Hell, even Brady needs help. Brady looks like hot garbage when he doesn't get protection, ask the Giants. Wentz played WELL for the Colts last year. They got rid of him bc of ONE loss.... and look at them now. He is FAR more accurate than TH. He was playing at an MVP level before his injury in Philly. If we get anything close to that, we're good. Hell, it can't get any worse than 13.5pts/gm & 2 turnovers, Heinike.
 
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So you're just gonna ignore the impact of Brian Robinson, Jackson III and Turner's play calling then.... ok cool.

If you wanna slurp Taylor, just say that... Heinike has had YEARS in this playbook. Wentz has had about 30 seconds and STILL looks better, with no D and no run game. All QBs need help. Hell, even Brady needs help. Brady looks like hot garbage when he doesn't get protection, ask the Giants. Wentz played WELL for the Colts last year. They got rid of him bc of ONE loss.... and look at them now. He is FAR more accurate than TH. He was playing at an MVP level before his injury in Philly. If we get anything close to that, we're good. Hell, it can't get any worse than 13.5pts/gm & 2 turnovers, Heinike.
in am not ignoring anything . what i am sayig is the trade was dumb and wince isnt what we were told he was . the stats say he isnt anymore accurate as both have nearly identical completion % and all i have to look at is the lions game , the eagles game , the bears game , the titans game to know what he is . i have 6 years of him on tape to know what he is
 

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in am not ignoring anything . what i am sayig is the trade was dumb and wince isnt what we were told he was . the stats say he isnt anymore accurate as both have nearly identical completion % and all i have to look at is the lions game , the eagles game , the bears game , the titans game to know what he is . i have 6 years of him on tape to know what he is
Bruh, you're comparing completion percentages as if that's the only stat on the planet. Who cares about completion percentage, if they're all passes of less than 10 yards, no points go on the board and we constantly fizzle in the red zone.... there's TONS of other stats that matter dad... c'mon. Your cherry picking shows your obvious bias..... question, do you have his MVP candidate season on tape?
 

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Bruh, you're comparing completion percentages as if that's the only stat on the planet. Who cares about completion percentage, if they're all passes of less than 10 yards, no points go on the board and we constantly fizzle in the red zone.... there's TONS of other stats that matter dad... c'mon. Your cherry picking shows your obvious bias..... question, do you have his MVP candidate season on tape?
wince has a history of being inaccurate and that is on film
 

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Doesnt Dalas have a shot at #1 seed if they win out?
If Dallas wins out (@Titans, @Commies) and Philly loses out (Saints, Giants), Dallas would win the division (IIRC, as I think it's divisonal record tie breaker and only Philly has a NFCE loss). However, if that happens (chances are very low), Minny or SF could end up in the #1 seed, b/c if either of them wins out, Dallas still doesn't get the #1 seed.

Either way, it'll probably be cleared up this week b/c if Philly wins agaisnt NO, it clinches the division and then Dallas has nothing to gain in the last week of the season and will rest its starters in the last game.
 

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The actual trade was Wentz, Phil Mathis and Christian Holmes for 2nd and 3rd in 2022 and a 3rd in 2023. Probably an overpay as Irsay is looking like a worse owner than. Dan and that is hard to do. They could have got him cheaper.
For the last year, year and a half, sure. Snyder's been busy with other things though and hasn't been able to devote his full time to fuckin up the Skins. Over the last 5 years, 10 years, 20 years and its not even close. Snyder makes Irsay look like an amateur in the arean of asss backwards thinking owners.
 

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Been sayin' this from day one. Early in the season, Wentz was getting hit as soon as he hit his back foot. The line is ranked 30th in pass pro win rate by PFF....but everybody wanted to blame Carson. We got the same results with Heinike, with less potential for explosive plays. Taylor was winning and looked good because of ROBINSON.... dassit!

Borderline correct. CW was sacked twice as often as TH which continually put the offense behind the sticks. It will happen again very soon.
 

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Ummm.... No one has any idea if Wentz is worth the trade, including you. How do you evaluate ANY QB behind a line that's 30th in pass pro?

...I'll wait.

If Wentz was worth the trade, he would have done at least as well as TH behind the same OL. Nobody is arguing CW is not a better passer…CW is not a better QB on THIS team.
 

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Why? CW is complete ass. I am glad he is in simply to prove a point.
He doesn't get it Gkekoa. Dean has talked about Wentz for 9 months and is now on the final 2 games to prove to the board he was right all along about Wentz.

I have no clue what Dean will due once Wentz is cut.
 

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If Wentz was worth the trade, he would have done at least as well as TH behind the same OL. Nobody is arguing CW is not a better passer…CW is not a better QB on THIS team.
Umm you ever heard of a guy name Brian Robinson? Wentz was passing 40 times a game.... Taylor 30... HUGE difference
 
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