49ers a finalist for Manning

[I_am_1z]

The Smith situation:

 

[ChrisPozz]

Jonathan Hutton:

Manning passed his physical when he visited Titans on Wed. He will workout for TEN Sat at 10:45a. Don't know where.

 

[Ltrain]

Albert Breer:

Per league sources, Peyton Manning has informed clubs that he plans on making a final decision on his future on Monday or Tuesday.

I should be taking my own advice of never looking too much into things but I read this and got depressed by it for some reason.

The 9er ninjas probably already have Manning on a jet for a weekend visit to San Francisco for all we know.

 

[RedneckNiner]

Man there is some Cazic like hatred of Smith. Yeah hes average but he made some big plays last season. Yes the defense carried the team But Alex did a lot to help the team achieve. I am not saying not to upgrade to Manning but lets get real Alex made some plays lead a few comebacks most noticablely the Saints game. He still is nothing more than a two to three year stopgap but really now this pure hatred shows nothing but ignorance and pettiness.

 

[MHSL82]

Man there is some Cazic like hatred of Smith. Yeah hes average but he made some big plays last season. Yes the defense carried the team But Alex did a lot to help the team achieve. I am not saying not to upgrade to Manning but lets get real Alex made some plays lead a few comebacks most noticablely the Saints game. He still is nothing more than a two to three year stopgap but really now this pure hatred shows nothing but ignorance and pettiness.

+1 million. I like that you said "still is" because that's what he is until he proves otherwise. If you said he'll always be nothing more than a stopgap, than I'd only give you a +1000 for the rest.

BTW, even if Manning pursued the Niners (not the other way around), if we get Manning, then I expect a lot of people to come apologize for the criticisms, however minor, of Baalke and Harbaugh. If they don't get Manning, I expect people to take Baalke/Harbaugh's word that it was too much for the future. If Alex leads us to a ring with productive numbers, I expect a lot of people to eat crow; gladly, that is. However, if Alex comes and fails to improve, we shouldn't see any excuses, any. But we would.

 

[Toolrulzz]

I've read the entire thread and haven't seen any hatred of Smith. Unless the overwhelming amount of hope and glee over the possibility of getting Manning is hatred in some people's eyes. I like Alex. I just like the potential of Peyton on this team a whole lot more.

 

[wartyOne]

I dont think you understand what i was saying and its written in the article above.
Payton doesnt want to be the reason Eli doesnt make it to the big dance. How doesnt that make sense??? He rather play is little brother in the big dance so they both could say we made it to the ultimate goal.
For me personally, if i have to play my brother then i have to play him regardless. I dont care what round it is, we still have to face the situation of making one or thee other sad.

It seems to me that both would argue the ultimate goal is WINNING the Super Bowl, not just making it to the Super Bowl.

 

[iHATEdodgers]

I've read the entire thread and haven't seen any hatred of Smith. Unless the overwhelming amount of hope and glee over the possibility of getting Manning is hatred in some people's eyes. I like Alex. I just like the potential of Peyton on this team a whole lot more.

Well that post up there with the shitty cartoon fits the bill. I support Alex but if the FO thinks Manning still has it i trust in them.

However he will be going on 37 by the next Super Bowl and the greats don't last past 38 usually - and regardless of how many physicals he passes, he still has a surgically repaired neck and is football-old. plus he's never been good in the playoffs - the Colts won that Super Bowl almost despite him - and they went 1 and out 7 out of 11 times in his career 9-10 all time in the playoffs 5-10 in the non-Super Bowl years - all of this adds up to the possibility that he's a bit overrated.

Now he's never played with a defense like ours and it would be interesting to see what could happen, but one big hit he's out we're stuck with CK and that makes me nervous.

 

[MHSL82]

Well that post up there with the shitty cartoon fits the bill. I support Alex but if the FO thinks Manning still has it i trust in them.

However he will be going on 37 by the next Super Bowl and the greats don't last past 38 usually - and regardless of how many physicals he passes, he still has a surgically repaired neck and is football-old. plus he's never been good in the playoffs - the Colts won that Super Bowl almost despite him - and they went 1 and out 7 out of 11 times in his career 9-10 all time in the playoffs 5-10 in the non-Super Bowl years - all of this adds up to the possibility that he's a bit overrated.

Now he's never played with a defense like ours and it would be interesting to see what could happen, but one big hit he's out we're stuck with CK and that makes me nervous.

I would be nervous about one big hit to Manning, Smith, or Kaep. I agree that five years is too long, so the guaranteed amount is a huge factor, but it's reported to be 30 Million of the 90. I'm not familiar that much, but don't most contracts have about 1/3. Plus, contractually, there will be protection for neck injuries, not for age, unrelated injuries, or poor performance (unlikely until the last year, maybe).

We've secured the entire starting 11 on defense so that's a big factor for me. Before I thought it was Manning or losing the defense a bit. We of course could not sign every WR/OG we want, but that was a possibility regardless of Smith or Manning. It is more likely to be a handicap, but if we can get that much more production from Crabtree, it'd be worth it. I think Smith (2012) or Manning would be better than Smith 2011 simply based on everyone improving plus a so far positive FA off-season.

 

[jayviabay]

It seems to me that both would argue the ultimate goal is WINNING the Super Bowl, not just making it to the Super Bowl.

I agree and the SECOND time around i could of use a better choice of words. IF you read the first time i just simply said the game they work so hard all year to get to... no big deal

 

[numone9er]

Wouldn't it be fair to see that if Peyton doesn't visit the 49ers facility in the next couple of days that the chances of us getting him are basically none?

 

[jayviabay]

Wouldn't it be fair to see that if Peyton doesn't visit the 49ers facility in the next couple of days that the chances of us getting him are basically none?

Does a visit to the facility really indicate if a player will sign with that said team?

 

[numone9er]

Does a visit to the facility really indicate if a player will sign with that said team?

No, but since the visiting of the training facilities seems to be so important to Manning's process, i would think he would want to at least view the 49ers facility before he would sign.

 

[jayviabay]

No, but since the visiting of the training facilities seems to be so important to Manning's process, i would think he would want to at least view the 49ers facility before he would sign.

i was thinking maybe he didnt visit ours because of how discreet the organization was trying to be about the process?

 

[numone9er]

i was thinking maybe he didnt visit ours because of how discreet the organization was trying to be about the process?

That's possible, but now that everyone knows what is holding him back?

 

[MHSL82]

This is like how the predators would wait for the Honey Badger to kill or chase out the hidden prey before taking the prey. Honey Badger did all the work, the predators got the loot. If money is the determining factor, others maybe like the Honey Badger where they can take the prey from the snake. Alternatively we could be the Honey Badger and kill the snake, eat it, get poisoned (the small fraction of the media calling foul), and come out to eat the rest of the snake.

For those who have no idea what I'm talking about:

 

[threelittleturds]

This was my introduction to the Honey Badger... The Gods must be Crazy 2... apparently beer is what distracts them

 

[MHSL82]

No wonder why Harbaugh flies coach.

Harbaugh travels in stealth to scout Manning, Harbaugh always flew coach throughout the year, coach is less noticeable than private jet planes, flying to North Carolina if caught is easier to explain away than private jet, when Harbaugh always flew coach if caught with known intentions early he could deny going in secret, etc. Coincidence? Here, I thought he was truly blue collar but really he just wanted to get Manning in secret. (No, I'm not being serious) He is Batman and everyone thought Alex was Robin. Manning = Superman? (I think even Superman is susceptible to neck injuries and kryptonite. Aside, when I was a middle school student, I was taken aback that Krypton was an actual element. Worlds collided.)

 

[Jikkle]

That's possible, but now that everyone knows what is holding him back?

Might also be due to the fact the facilities are overrun with construction equipment so it's probably not the best place to tour right now.

Also both the Broncos and Titans need to pitch their teams to Peyton to convince him. I mean the Titans weren't even on his radar till they came to him.

We already have our pitch which is "You want another ring or two? Than we're you're team. If not than have fun maybe making the playoffs with Denver or Tennessee and getting knocked out the 1st round or 2nd round if you're lucky before you retire"

In fact you can argue not visiting is a good sign because we didn't have to come in and sell him on our team and make a circus about it.

 

[MHSL82]

Might also be due to the fact the facilities are overrun with construction equipment so it's probably not the best place to tour right now.

Also both the Broncos and Titans need to pitch their teams to Peyton to convince him. I mean the Titans weren't even on his radar till they came to him.

We already have our pitch which is "You want another ring or two? Than we're you're team. If not than have fun maybe making the playoffs with Denver or Tennessee and getting knocked out the 1st round or 2nd round if you're lucky before you retire"

In fact you can argue not visiting is a good sign because we didn't have to come in and sell him on our team and make a circus about it.

We should have had Manning go tour Seattle and their film and everything. Then sign with us and spill. They couldn't get a good team's information within our division. JK, I know there isn't actually much you can get that way than you already know by your own means.