29 year old Kobe vs 29 year old LeBron. Who you got?

[tnerb57]

And Bird won his 3 titles by himself?

No, but he was the main cog.

 

[trojanfan12]

It was that Footwork that he gained from being a Soccer Player.

I agree.

Those other guys have brute strength on their side.

But, the Dream made them all look silly on several occasions .

As a Navy gal, it was mandatory that I was a fan of The Admirals.

So, after watching Dream put him in the popcorn machine, it caused a fracture in our relationship.

To this day, Shaq refers to Hakeem as Mr. Olajuwon because Hakeem took him to school in the finals.

 

[Mecca]

Did you compare Durant to Reggie and Clyde????

Yes.

Durant = Reggie Miller.

Great shooter, deadly even.

Neither guy alone can win his team a Championship.

Reggie did make it to the finals.

But, got cut down by Shaq and Kobe's Lakers just like Durant did to Lebron and Wade's Heat.

 

[tnerb57]

Cmon Bird wasn't exactly playing with scrubs. The 86 Celts team might be the best team of all time.

No, but he unquestionably elevated the play of his teammates. As good as Kareem was, he lacked in this department compared to MJ, Bird, and Magic.

 

[trojanfight]

LeBron without all star teammates isn't much. whos he going to defer to? we have seen an older kobe show up LeBron. what will a mid 30s LeBron show us?

 

[tnerb57]

LeBron without all star teammates isn't much. whos he going to defer to? we have seen an older kobe show up LeBron. what will a mid 30s LeBron show us?

This isn't precisely true. LeBron made some rather pedestrian Cavs teams contenders, even going to the finals.

 

[erckm510]

Yes.

Durant = Reggie Miller.

Great shooter, deadly even.

Neither guy alone can win his team a Championship.

Reggie did make it to the finals.

But, got cut down by Shaq and Kobe's Lakers just like Durant did to Lebron and Wade's Heat.

No guy alone can win a championship. And Miller isn't in Durant's league as a player. Durant is more then just a great shooter.

 

[Mecca]

To this day, Shaq refers to Hakeem as Mr. Olajuwon because Hakeem took him to school in the finals.

It was a clinic .

But, I always loved how much respect Shaq had for the Dream.

Too bad Howard doesn't share the opinion because he sure needs the help.

 

[Mecca]

No guy alone can win a championship. And Miller isn't in Durant's league as a player. Durant is more then just a great shooter.

Durant will likely be an alltime great.

But, he isn't one right now.

What has he done to elevate him past Reggie?

Lead the NBA in scoring?

 

[DJ]

Mecca, did you hear? James Garner died.

 

[tnerb57]

Durant will likely be an alltime great.

But, he isn't one right now.

What has he done to elevate him past Reggie?

Lead the NBA in scoring?

Reggie was amazing. But, without going all DJ and statting this thing up, I'd say Durant is building a stronger legacy.

 

[erckm510]

No, but he unquestionably elevated the play of his teammates. As good as Kareem was, he lacked in this department compared to MJ, Bird, and Magic.

And who exactly was Kareem playing with before Magic got there? A young Wilkes and ????

 

[erckm510]

Durant will likely be an alltime great.

But, he isn't one right now.

What has he done to elevate him past Reggie?

Lead the NBA in scoring?

Winning MVP obviously.

 

[Mecca]

No, but he unquestionably elevated the play of his teammates. As good as Kareem was, he lacked in this department compared to MJ, Bird, and Magic.

Do you mean because he was a dick?

or

Just a " I'm gonna get mine " type of player?

I started watching the NBA, seriously, in the 83-84 Season.

By then, Showtime was in full swing and it was all about Magic.

I remember Kareem as a stoic elder statesman.

But, not on the same level as Bird/Magic.

 

[Mecca]

Winning MVP obviously.

Again, level of competition.

Folks had voters fatigue with Lebron.

Reggie played against Jordan, Magic, Bird etc and still managed to be a HoFer.

I have no idea what Durant will be at the end of his career.

But, I do know his level of competition was pedestrian in comparison.

 

[Mecca]

Reggie was amazing. But, without going all DJ and statting this thing up, I'd say Durant is building a stronger legacy.

No doubt.

Building...not finished yet.

 

[hockey878]

you can't cite level of competition of current vs past. these guys havent had a chance to finish their careers yet.

so foolish when people do this.

Centers were better in the past. but i doubt you'll find an era in NBA history with more talented PG's. its a loaded position.

Power Forward is another loaded position, just not in the "prototypical" way people defined power forwards in the past.

calling Reggie Miller and Kevin Durant equals is extremely idiotic

 

[tnerb57]

And who exactly was Kareem playing with before Magic got there? A young Wilkes and ????

Norm Nixon, Michael Cooper, and others, whose play JOHNSON elevated.

 

[hockey878]

Reggie miller career

18 3 and 3 1 stl 0.2 blk

KD

27, 7, 3.5, 1, 1.3

Really? Equals? cmon

 

[Mecca]

you can't cite level of competition of current vs past. these guys havent had a chance to finish their careers yet.

so foolish when people do this.

Centers were better in the past. but i doubt you'll find an era in NBA history with more talented PG's. its a loaded position.

Power Forward is another loaded position, just not in the "prototypical" way people defined power forwards in the past.

calling Reggie Miller and Kevin Durant equals is extremely idiotic

That would be your opinion and you are entitled to it.

I see it differently.

Saying Durant is better than Reggie because of MVP's is like saying Steve Nash was better than Stockton/Thompson.

And considering the topic of conversation is " Bird vs. Lebron " this thread must be full of idiots because we are all comparing the two.