21-22 Season - Jekyll or Hyde ?

[awaz]

Fletcher's press conference yesterday made me feel a little better about things. I think the awful run from January to the end of the season must have opened their eyes a little bit. Much more measured approach to yesterday than the January presser where "aggressive retool" and "not looking at a 3 or 4 year process" etc. Compared it to the 2019 offseason, which wasn't an "all in" type of offseason that January seemed to hint at.

Charlie's article was good today: What makes sense and what doesn't from Flyers' offseason plan

on 2019 offseason: It definitely was “aggressive,” in the sense that Fletcher made quite a few moves. He hired Alain Vigneault, the second-biggest available coaching name on the market that summer after Joel Quenneville. He traded for Kevin Hayes’ rights, and then locked him up to a seven-year, $50 million contract to address the team’s gaping hole at 2C. He swapped Radko Gudas for Matt Niskanen in a hockey trade meant to give the team a veteran, first-pair RHD. He acquired Justin Braun for second- and third-round picks to further beef up the right side of the defense and picked up Tyler Pitlick in a deal with Dallas. Then, on draft day, he traded down from No. 11 to No. 14 (taking Cam York) in the first round, picking up an extra second-round pick in the process, which was used to nab Bobby Brink.

 

[awaz]

Also said they were counting on the top 5 pick from this year to be a potential difference maker for them down the line, indicating they plan on using that pick.

So, even if the more measured plan bombs like most of us expect it to, it won't do as much long term damage as I was preparing myself for based on the January press conference.

 

[Chris p Bacon]

Where was this guy when he was here?

 

[awaz]

If they go free agent shopping for a top 6 guy, a la Hayes in 2019, it would most likely be a winger based on other comments. Gaudreau, Forsberg, E. Kane, Nichuskin, Burakovsky, and Rust are probably the cream of the free agent crop. Will be interesting to see if Gaudreau/Forsberg actually get to free agency.

 

[purdue81]

Where was this guy when he was here?

Liked him in Philly too.

 

[Chris p Bacon]

If they go free agent shopping for a top 6 guy, a la Hayes in 2019, it would most likely be a winger based on other comments. Gaudreau, Forsberg, E. Kane, Nichuskin, Burakovsky, and Rust are probably the cream of the free agent crop. Will be interesting to see if Gaudreau/Forsberg actually get to free agency.

Big no on E Kane, dude is a cancer in any locker room and as a player in general.

 

[lasgop8]

Where was this guy when he was here?

Raffy!!!!!!!

 

[lasgop8]

If they go free agent shopping for a top 6 guy, a la Hayes in 2019, it would most likely be a winger based on other comments. Gaudreau, Forsberg, E. Kane, Nichuskin, Burakovsky, and Rust are probably the cream of the free agent crop. Will be interesting to see if Gaudreau/Forsberg actually get to free agency.

I know i will get push back on this but i dont want Gaudreau. He's coming off of a contract career year in which hes had the highest goal and point total of his career by far. In layman's terms it will cost a boat load of money to sign him and if history prevails his contribution will not match his contract.

 

[lasgop8]

Liked him in Philly too.

Why would we keep him when we could keep guys around like Thompson and Brown??

 

[lasgop8]

From the Athletic: Our team next season before any moves are made;

 

[awaz]

I know i will get push back on this but i dont want Gaudreau. He's coming off of a contract career year in which hes had the highest goal and point total of his career by far. In layman's terms it will cost a boat load of money to sign him and if history prevails his contribution will not match his contract.

I'm actually with you on that. It'd be fun and exciting, but for the exact same reasons you list I'd be pretty concerned about that deal working out. I think that's the kind of deal that maybe helps in first year or two, but hurts more than it helps after that. Which is totally counter to what the Flyers should be doing.

 

[awaz]

From the Athletic: Our team next season before any moves are made;

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Pretty sad state considering the cap as well. Just far too much in the 2nd/3rd line caliber and not enough in the 1st/2nd line. And no money to address it. Barring big jumps from guys like TK/Farabee/Tippett, or really smart trades like Charlie alluded to in the article that steal guys from teams right before they break out; the only path to filling that many openings at the top of the lineup with as little cap space as they have, is the draft. Which takes time.

 

[purdue81]

I know i will get push back on this but i dont want Gaudreau. He's coming off of a contract career year in which hes had the highest goal and point total of his career by far. In layman's terms it will cost a boat load of money to sign him and if history prevails his contribution will not match his contract.

You’re entirely missing the Flyer’s philosophy. Buy high, sell low.

 

[purdue81]

From the Athletic: Our team next season before any moves are made;

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Good chart

 

[Maverick426h]

Despite all of the current negativity, there really is a lot of potential yet with this roster. It's a little early to be labeling guys like Farabee, Tippett, Allison, Frost, Sanheim, York etc. 3rd line, 3rd pair or not even Nhl players.

I suppose Carter Hart will just be a career below average goalie too or perhaps a non-Nhler?

People like Lasgop admit that we were without our top two centers and top defenseman for most of the season and yet they want to sell the entire team and start over.

Get everyone healthy, make some wise decisions at the draft and in free agency and we can have a good team that is working toward being great.

 

[Chris p Bacon]

You’re entirely missing the Flyer’s philosophy. Buy high, sell low.

And pay for part of their salary when you trade them.

 

[lasgop8]

Despite all of the current negativity, there really is a lot of potential yet with this roster. It's a little early to be labeling guys like Farabee, Tippett, Allison, Frost, Sanheim, York etc. 3rd line, 3rd pair or not even Nhl players.

I suppose Carter Hart will just be a career below average goalie too or perhaps a non-Nhler?

People like Lasgop admit that we were without our top two centers and top defenseman for most of the season and yet they want to sell the entire team and start over.

Get everyone healthy, make some wise decisions at the draft and in free agency and we can have a good team that is working toward being great.

I thought you blocked me clown. How could you know what I'm posting if I'm blocked?

Pretty sad that you are back to stalking me. You're a tool!!

 

[lasgop8]

And pay for part of their salary when you trade them.

This is what we have turned our organization into.

 

[Maverick426h]

Also, look out for Foerster and Tuomaala. These two kids could be the snipers we've been waiting years to see in a Flyer uniform.

 

[lasgop8]

What are Flyers looking for in next coach? Tough to say and that's telling

With Mike Yeo out after Alain Vigneault, what are Chuck Fletcher and the Flyers looking for in the team’s next head coach? By Jordan Hall

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