2025 season thread

[Anointed One]

Yeah we got a QB that can actually use the Play Action pass. This will help in many ways. It will suck the linebackers up and slow down the pass rush. Last season Teams flat out just pass rushed full go all the time... why? Because when you throw the ball 90% of the time that means the defense wins on the play call 90% of the time so thats 100% the way to play defense against Seattle last year. Geno had 679 yards passing from PA set. Darnold had 1600 yards.

I'm just excited to watch our QB takes snaps from under center... I think this will help a lot as well... Shotgun almost every snap last year gives the defense an advantage...

 

[Screamin12th]

I think you missed what I was saying. In 2022 (his best year with Seattle) he ran playaction successfully quite a bit. With your same link he was just fine.

He was shit in playaction in 2024 because probably every defense was like, "lol so Seattle is probably passing.. and their run game is vanilla as fuck and we really don't need to worry about that anyway."

I understood but what in the world does 2022 have to do with 2024? he was 9th in the NFL for 2022 PA TD passes that dropped to 20th in 2023 and 25th in 2024. Like it or not Geno just doesnt like lining up under center and i NEVER base someones success off one good season where he was THE luckiest QB in the league. Lets not forget that even though he lead the league in turn over worthy plays those plays only turned into turnovers at 47% when the league average is over 80%!

 

[Screamin12th]

I'm just excited to watch our QB takes snaps from under center... I think this will help a lot as well... Shotgun almost every snap last year gives the defense an advantage...

Yes

I have stated this many times. When you are passing from shotgun close to 90% then the defense can just go 100% pass and they hold the advantage. Full on pass rush with no threat of the run. I can't think of a Oline in the NFL that could hold up under that type of pressure 90% of the time.

If i was facing the Seahawks last year I would have been calling pressure blitz packages ALL the time and i would have been right at a rate of 9 out of 10! That makes you look like a genius as a DC.

 

[flyerhawk]

Yes

I have stated this many times. When you are passing from shotgun close to 90% then the defense can just go 100% pass and they hold the advantage. Full on pass rush with no threat of the run. I can't think of a Oline in the NFL that could hold up under that type of pressure 90% of the time.

If i was facing the Seahawks last year I would have been calling pressure blitz packages ALL the time and i would have been right at a rate of 9 out of 10! That makes you look like a genius as a DC.

And how much of that was because of Geno versus the play calling?

Did Geno somehow forget how to play under center?

 

[Screamin12th]

And how much of that was because of Geno versus the play calling?

Did Geno somehow forget how to play under center?

You mean his regression? thats the big thing He went from 1 season out of how many has he played? where he was pretty good to below league average every other season.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I understood but what in the world does 2022 have to do with 2024? he was 9th in the NFL for 2022 PA TD passes that dropped to 20th in 2023 and 25th in 2024. Like it or not Geno just doesnt like lining up under center and i NEVER base someones success off one good season where he was THE luckiest QB in the league. Lets not forget that even though he lead the league in turn over worthy plays those plays only turned into turnovers at 47% when the league average is over 80%!

You bring up a valid point with him getting some lucky plays in 2022... as for your other comment, "What in the world does 2022 have to do with 2024?" Well... nothing.. because in 2022 Geno was running quite a bit of playaction for the % he was throwing and was by far a better QB than when he was hardly running any playaction in 2024.

Geno doesn't like lining up under center? Has he mentioned that? Perhaps I missed him saying that or coaches saying he does. He sure as hell didn't have much success playing from a no huddle shotgun offense and almost 50% of the playaction he was doing in 2022.

 

[Screamin12th]

Geno Smith has a career completion percentage of 64.8% and has attempted over 96% of his passes from a shotgun or pistol formation

Geno Smith's stats show a high reliance on shotgun formations and a lower-than-expected usage of play-action passes, with his play-action performance not as strong as his overall passing game.

This is why i don't mind having Sam under center, We NEED to use Play action to be an effective offense. Most QB's most of the time there PA stats are better than their under center numbers but not all the time.

 

[Anointed One]

This is interesting...





Another interesting read about the shotgun..

NFL Teams Moving Out From Under Center, Riding Shotgun

As NFL offenses continue to evolve, teams are riding the shotgun formation, and in big numbers. Rarely anymore do QBs line up under center.

www.the33rdteam.com

 

[Screamin12th]

60% is understandable in todays NFL but 90% nah. Well let me change that. If your QB is a dynamic play maker with the ability to run then he becomes your ground threat and it can work. The Eagles lined up in shotgun like over 90% of the time but they only passed out of it 43.7% of the time.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Browns: Teven Jenkins contract details revealed after NFL free agency signing

It took a week but we finally have contract details for the NFL free agency deal between the Browns and Teven Jenkins

sports.yahoo.com

Oww... only $3M for Jenkins? I know Jenkins has some injury concerns, but for that price we couldn't sign him? I would've been fine throwing 1 year $4M at him. Man.. I'm sure Seattle was more attractive than Cleveland? Whatevs... maybe it's a blessing that it's not another patchwork signing and this forces our hand in the draft? Jenkins was a decent zone blocker if I recall correctly.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

The cap numbers for Seahawks are finally updated with all the new signings & contracts included and the Seahawks have 36 million left in cap space ( 104 million in 2026). They have more space then I figured.

 

[Anointed One]

The cap numbers for Seahawks are finally updated with all the new signings & contracts included and the Seahawks have 36 million left in cap space ( 104 million in 2026). They have more space then I figured.

If that was the Mariners remaining cap, they would just pocket it...

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

The cap numbers for Seahawks are finally updated with all the new signings & contracts included and the Seahawks have 36 million left in cap space ( 104 million in 2026). They have more space then I figured.

Okay so Darnold's contract is nowhere near what some sites were saying (where he got $37.5M this year). If Seattle can roll over some cap next year it's a moot point.

He's VERY low on the cap hit this year, but next year if I'm understanding right his cap hit is $34M, dead cap is $25M... but it moves down real slow. I guess if Darnold bites the big one you cut him next year post June 1st and spread $25M over 2 years, draft your QB, and it's whatever. Still a decent out next year if he sucks. $12.5M dead is not a small hit over 2 years, but it's not going to break the team.

Cooper is $8M dead cap next year... Lawrence $4M... kind of whatever. So if we move on from all 3 players and do a post June cut you're looking at $20.5M in 2026 and 2027... really not that big of a deal.

In terms of cap hit NEXT season, D Law at $11M is a steal if he returns to form. Kupp at $17M yikes... but who knows, receivers just keep getting more and more. Darnold at $33M next year if he somewhat resembles what he did with Minny would be a steal.

So hopefully at least one works out. If all 3 tank it's not the end of the world considering we'd be drafting a new QB anyway.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

If that was the Mariners remaining cap, they would just pocket it...

After spending $2-3M on throwback bobbleheads when they actually had good players for fan service nights.. lol..

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

We're also tied for 4th right now in 2026 with the LEAST active players on the roster ($100M+ on the books next year but we have to sign a lot of guys)... so I imagine that's why Seattle wanted a lot of draft capital this year. We need to replenish the ranks and get some players on the team on cheaper rookie contracts. Right now we're at 27 players on the active roster for 2026... we'll for sure sign 6 rookies at a minimum to active roster, so that'll bump that number up along with rookies next year. Guys like Cross/Mafe, etc. I'm sure will be resigned.

Going to be a team full of young guys... prob. why they wanted Reed, D Law, and Kupp here (older veteran guys with strong locker room presence/leadership - hard for Reed to do it all on his own).

 

[JMR]

Okay so Darnold's contract is nowhere near what some sites were saying (where he got $37.5M this year). If Seattle can roll over some cap next year it's a moot point.

He's VERY low on the cap hit this year, but next year if I'm understanding right his cap hit is $34M, dead cap is $25M... but it moves down real slow. I guess if Darnold bites the big one you cut him next year post June 1st and spread $25M over 2 years, draft your QB, and it's whatever. Still a decent out next year if he sucks. $12.5M dead is not a small hit over 2 years, but it's not going to break the team.

Yeah, it looks like there indeed was a SB of $32M, and that is spread over 5 years. 2025 cap hit of just $13.4M, which is only 4.7% of the overall team cap. That's peanuts. Even the peak cap hit of this deal ($44M in 2027) is still under 15%. '28 & '29 are void years, so the decision point on him probably comes after his 2nd year here.

 

[MrS]

What was Genos cap Hit going to be? 40 something?

 

[Screamin12th]

What was Genos cap Hit going to be? 40 something?

Yeah and he hit is bonus so the rumor was 44+

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Dre'Mont Jones really set us back.

I was never high on that signing.. and it is one of the dumbest signing we made in free agency in the last 5 years. Horrible move.