2025 season thread

[MrS]

Wasn't GB's offer a 1st and a WR for DK?

Allegedly, i guess we will see if that was true or not

 

[flyerhawk]

Wasn't GB's offer a 1st and a WR for DK?

I doubt it.

 

[JMR]

Trading DK makes our receiving corps EXTREMELY thin and almost REQUIRES that we use either our 1st or 2nd on a receiver PLUS go for a 3rd receiver in FA.

Trading before June 1st makes the team VERY upside down cap wise with 21 million in dead money and only 10 million in savings.

If you use the pick you get from DK on a WR (let's say it's a 3rd), then that roster spot costs you substantially less this season even with the dead cap hit of $21M vs having to pay DK the $31M he's due. After this season, it's not even close. And my personal view is it's also a way better position to be in long term not to have to commit another big money deal to a WR when you are also looking at having to re-sign or extend JSN in 2 years from now.

If the stated identity of this team is going to be about running the ball and playing hard nosed defense, then paying a bunch of money to WRs doesn't make sense.

 

[flyerhawk]

If you use the pick you get from DK on a WR (let's say it's a 3rd), then that roster spot costs you substantially less this season even with the dead cap hit of $21M vs having to pay DK the $31M he's due. After this season, it's not even close. And my personal view is it's also a way better position to be in long term not to have to commit another big money deal to a WR when you are also looking at having to re-sign or extend JSN in 2 years from now.

If the stated identity of this team is going to be about running the ball and playing hard nosed defense, then paying a bunch of money to WRs doesn't make sense.

While a 3rd round drafted WR will certainly save us money, he also will not be nearly as good as DK. The overall talent level of the team is likely to go down. Now, sometimes you have to do this of course. Finances matter. But if all we can get is a day 3 pick then it's just not worth making that trade.

 

[JMR]

While a 3rd round drafted WR will certainly save us money, he also will not be nearly as good as DK. The overall talent level of the team is likely to go down. Now, sometimes you have to do this of course. Finances matter. But if all we can get is a day 3 pick then it's just not worth making that trade.

Running and defense. If that's the identity of this team, we just cannot fret about a short term dip in WR talent. It's an ends, ways, and means mismatch if we do.

 

[flyerhawk]

Running and defense. If that's the identity of this team, we just cannot fret about a short term dip in WR talent. It's an ends, ways, and means mismatch if we do.

I'm more concerned about overall talent. Giving up good players for weak return assets is not a winning strategy.

 

[JMR]

I'm more concerned about overall talent. Giving up good players for weak return assets is not a winning strategy.

I am more concerned about where the talent is on the roster. You can have less overall talent but still be set up better to play the style of football you say you want to play. That's what trading DK can help this team do. Better roster/cap management. We've been over-leveraged at WR the past few years. Time for a course correction even if there is a short term bill to play. It's plain as day to me.

 

[flyerhawk]

I am more concerned about where the talent is on the roster. You can have less overall talent but still be set up better to play the style of football you say you want to play. That's what trading DK can help this team do. Better roster/cap management. We've been over-leveraged at WR the past few years. Time for a course correction even if there is a short term bill to play. It's plain as day to me.

I think you just want to get rid of DK. Which is fine. Personally I think he stretches the defense and losing him without getting someone else who can offer a deep threat will make things tougher. Which is why I want to get a reasonably valuable asset in return.

 

[MrS]

I think you just want to get rid of DK. Which is fine. Personally I think he stretches the defense and losing him without getting someone else who can offer a deep threat will make things tougher. Which is why I want to get a reasonably valuable asset in return.

I agree, getting rid of him for the sake of it is a mistake. Jsn is going to see his productivity collapse with dk to take attention away from him.

 

[JMR]

I think you just want to get rid of DK. Which is fine.

No, don't take it there. I am just looking at the 3 basic paths this is going to follow and I am resolute on which one I think is best for the team in the long run. If I just wanted to get rid of him, I would have had that same position last year and prior to giving him a 2nd contract. But I didn't.

 

[JMR]

I agree, getting rid of him for the sake of it is a mistake.

Not suggesting that. But with as many teams are rumored to be interested, it's unlikely there won't be a deal out there that's "good enough" to pull the trigger.

And even if we get "only" a 2nd or 3rd, that's a lot more than we'll get when he walks as a free agent in a year.

Jsn is going to see his productivity collapse with dk to take attention away from him.

Very debatable. DK missed 2 games this past year -- weeks 8 & 9. Week 8 was the complete turd of a game vs Buffalo where nobody did jack squat. In the other game DK was out (OT loss vs Rams), JSN had the best day of his career: 7 catches, 180 yds, 2 TDs. I know the predictable retort will be small sample size, but that doesn't change the fact we've seen a couple times where JSN was out there without DK, and the production didn't collapse. There is more evidence that JSN will roll along just fine than there is he'll be less effective.

 

[flyerhawk]

No, don't take it there. I am just looking at the 3 basic paths this is going to follow and I am resolute on which one I think is best for the team in the long run. If I just wanted to get rid of him, I would have had that same position last year and prior to giving him a 2nd contract. But I didn't.

We've talked about this already. Getting a 5th round pick for DK just doesn't make sense. Even a 3rd doesn't make a lot of sense, unless they have no choice.

 

[flyerhawk]

And even if we get "only" a 2nd or 3rd, that's a lot more than we'll get when he walks as a free agent in a year.

Well we would most likely get a 3rd round compensatory pick for DK if he walked.

 

[JMR]

We've talked about this already. Getting a 5th round pick for DK just doesn't make sense. Even a 3rd doesn't make a lot of sense, unless they have no choice.

I would not jump for joy if we shipped him off for a 5th. I would also not jump for joy if we declined a 3rd, let him play out the final year, then got fuckall next off-season when he walks as a FA.

 

[JMR]

Well we would most likely get a 3rd round compensatory pick for DK if he walked.

I guess it all depends on what else we did in free agency, right? Also, that comp pick wouldn't be until the 2027 draft. If you agree with the idea that you devalue a pick by a round a year, a 3rd in '27 is the rough equivalent of a 5th in '25.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Well Ernest Jones is undergoing knee surgery... ugh, here we go again. Now it doesn't mean it's anything like Lucas and I've read some sources are it's 'cleanup'... but still.

I would say if we sign him, make sure that contract is performance based... don't just give him some 5 year $70M/$40M guaranteed shit.

 

[Anointed One]

I doubt it.

Agreed... I think we would've jumped on it asap i f we knew that trading him would need to be an option...

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Well we would most likely get a 3rd round compensatory pick for DK if he walked.

True, but a 3rd rounder now vs. a 3rd rounder in 2027 is a big difference, especially if he's going to hold out or mail it in in 2026 (which I'm assuming would be the case, hell he mailed it in last second half of the season).

And he's had that knee be an issue now for the 2nd year in a row. I don't think he'd mail it in this year because he knows a big contract is on the line, but if he misses half the season, he may not even collect us a 5th.

 

[Podunkparte]

While a 3rd round drafted WR will certainly save us money, he also will not be nearly as good as DK.

Says who? Lots of day 2 WRs have been very effective players for lots of teams over the years, and just how good has DK been really?

I'm a DK fan, but if we're being honest with ourselves, he's never reached the potential many think he should have given his elite physical traits.

DKs potential should have been in the discussion for best WR in the league at his prime. He's never really reached that point but wants to be paid there.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Says who? Lots of day 2 WRs have been very effective players for lots of teams over the years, and just how good has DK been really?

I'm a DK fan, but if we're being honest with ourselves, he's never reached the potential many think he should have given his elite physical traits.

DKs potential should have been in the discussion for best WR in the league at his prime. He's never really reached that point but wants to be paid there.

First off let me say, I'm agreeing with you. That said, for others the WR class this draft is actually not too bad in the mid rounds. It wont be on the level of DKs physical ability but there's MAJOR red flags I'm seeing after this year:

• Knee issue resurfaced.
• Personal fouls continued, immaturity, frustration, non-leader (even though he said he wanted to be after Carroll left)
• Continued below average route running (REQUIRED to be competent at to ever be elite - name me one HOF receiver lately who has been bad at it)
• Worst performance statistically in his career - yes he missed some games, but Seattle also had one of the most lopsided passing offenses in the league (7th in passing attempts, bottom 5 in rushing). And we're up to 17 games now.
• Clearly mailed it in after JSN came on the scene. Like you got a good play or two here and there, but this is a guy that is NOT on the same plane (not even close) as Justin Jefferson who DID literally take over and won the game for Minny. DK isn't doing that. Give me a break.
• Wants $30M+ (WHAT?)

I was ALL for trading DK last year. You can go dig up my posts (not you Podunk but anyone who wants to challenge me). If you get a 1st rounder PERIOD (I don't even care about anything else) you take that RIGHT FUCKIN' NOW. I see DK being a routine 900-1K player and maybe 5-10 TDs a year. Fine... "He stretches a defense! JSN did what he did because of DK!" What? JSN did not require DK at all in the second half of the year. Maybe Lockett profited. Regardless, that is NOT worth $30M+.

If we sign DK for a 2 year $40M extension I'll give it a B+. If we sign DK to a 5 year $150M extension it's an auto F unless the guaranteed is $0.00. That said, if we have an offer for a 1st, take it now... that's great return. You got 5 years of an above average WR with some flaws and inconsistencies that can lose you the game... who is aging and wants a major contract, for a late 2nd. That's a GM easy peasy move. If Schneider declines that, fire him.