2023 offseason thread

[tlance]

Dr J is cancelled for putting Malone in over Duncan….lol

FOH

Tiny Archibald over LeBron?

I get he said that he isn’t putting current players in, but let’s have some common sense.

LeBron retires today to focus on his family and he is a stone cold lock for top 3 if not 1.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Shaq’s list is definitely better than Dr. J’s

I find it interesting that Shaq’s list is so dominated by guards that most wouldn’t have near their top 10s.

He has AI and Isaiah Thomas, but no Kareem?

Nah.

Take those 2 out, add a couple more dominant bigs from past eras and put Kareem on first team and he has it pretty close to what a universal poll would come up with.

yea

Zeke isn't top 10 all time nor AI

crazy talk

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Tiny Archibald over LeBron?

I get he said that he isn’t putting current players in, but let’s have some common sense.

LeBron retires today to focus on his family and he is a stone cold lock for top 3 if not 1.

Archibald over Bird is ridiculous. Tiny never elevated a team. He wasn't an elite guy even by that standard much less top 10 all time. The Celtics won like 25 games his first year there and then 60 when Bird arrived.

Considering Tinys teams didn't win a playoff series until he went to Boston he's not even top 100 to me

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Shaq’s list is definitely better than Dr. J’s

I find it interesting that Shaq’s list is so dominated by guards that most wouldn’t have near their top 10s.

He has AI and Isaiah Thomas, but no Kareem?

Nah.

Take those 2 out, add a couple more dominant bigs from past eras and put Kareem on first team and he has it pretty close to what a universal poll would come up with.

Universal poll, consensus top 10.

Yup.

Dr. J kinda gets relegated to the Dominique Wilkins vs Jordan dunk contest status when it comes to these Alltime lists……FOR ME

Dude was AWESOME.

But, Jordan just surpassed him.

For whatever reason, it’s easy for those guys to accept that when it comes to MJ.

But, very few have the self awareness to do it with Lebron.

It makes me sick to my stomach to admit this.

But, Lebron was better than Magic, Bird, insert name not MJ and maaaaaaaaybe KAJ.

Them be the facts.

As for AI and Zeke…..

Top 20-25 consensus not top 10.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

yea

Zeke isn't top 10 all time nor AI

crazy talk

Maybe Shaq did a top 10 guys I actually played against list….lol

Otherwise, he needs to cut back on his consumption.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Universal poll, consensus top 10.

Yup.

Dr. J kinda gets relegated to the Dominique Wilkins vs Jordan dunk contest status when it comes to these Alltime lists……FOR ME

Dude was AWESOME.

But, Jordan just surpassed him.

For whatever reason, it’s easy for those guys to accept that when it comes to MJ.

But, very few have the self awareness to do it with Lebron.

It makes me sick to my stomach to admit this.

But, Lebron was better than Magic, Bird, insert name not MJ and maaaaaaaaybe KAJ.

Them be the facts.

As for AI and Zeke…..

Top 20-25 consensus not top 10.

people hate on LeBron for jumping around but most of the greats had the luxury of an already great supporting cast. I don't see anyone but LeBron dragging the 07 Cavs to a finals over Detroit.

 

[msgkings322]

I would hope an empty 28 PPG on a bad team isn’t enough to make someone an all star.

One would hope yes

 

[Stakesarehigh]

jordan Poole makes Jerry Stackhouse look like a reasonable shooter who is well aware of his limitations

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

The original NY Post article said he would be fired if he didn't accept the demotion.

This has left Jackson in peril.

Sources said Jackson could stay on and join play-by-player Mark Jones on the network’s second team. If he balks at that option, he could be headed out of ESPN.

ESPN declined to comment.”

 

[shopson67]

You think he is enough to get Portland to blink?

Yet another guard.

But, I like him at 6’7.

Maybe he can play some 3.

3-4 firsts, 2nds, Herro to a 3rd team, expiring contracts, young guys.

If Portland says no, not sure you can improve that offer.

Sounds like Lowry, not Duncan.

Until they identify what these 3-4 firsts are, I'm not believing it. They can only offer 2 of their own.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Until they identify what these 3-4 firsts are, I'm not believing it. They can only offer 2 of their own.

I’m guessing at least one will be for Herro?

Maybe the other for Jacques ?

 

[DJ Fieri]

This has left Jackson in peril.

Sources said Jackson could stay on and join play-by-player Mark Jones on the network’s second team. If he balks at that option, he could be headed out of ESPN.

ESPN declined to comment.”

Ego....LOL.

Jones is a good play by play guy....he and Jones might have been a decent fit.

 

[DJ Fieri]

I’m guessing at least one will be for Herro?

Maybe the other for Jacques ?

I loved Jaquez at UCLA but at one point he was thought to be an early 2nd rounder, maaaaaybe late 1st....

Not sure what people are seeing in him. Doubt he is more than a 15mpg guy.

 

[Mebert]

That makes sense.

Because as good as Ray Allen was, Ray Ray and Paul Pierce weren’t getting them anywhere.

It was Ballsy for the Celtics. They had actually agreed to trade for Garnett 1 week before the draft, but KG refused to sign an extension and would not waive the trade kicker so it fell apart. So when they traded for Allen they had no expectation of getting KG.

For Minnesota because of KG refusing instead of the #5 pick they got Gerald Green, Ryan Gomes, and the pick they owed the Celtics.

So Jeff Green vs Gerald Green, Gomes, Johnny Flynn, and Wayne Ellington.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

I loved Jaquez at UCLA but at one point he was thought to be an early 2nd rounder, maaaaaybe late 1st....

Not sure what people are seeing in him. Doubt he is more than a 15mpg guy.

15 mpg for the Eastern Conference Champion Heat, sure.

For a young team like Portland, Detroit, Brooklyn, Charlotte, Orlando, Spurs?

They have rosters full of mostly children.

He’s 22.

Christian Braun got almost 16 for the NBA Champions.

Jacquez would get minutes.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Ego....LOL.

Jones is a good play by play guy....he and Jones might have been a decent fit.

Think he’d learn after getting him snuffed by the Warriors.

Can’t be to big for your britches.

I still can’t believe they got rid of Jeff.

He’s better than Doris, Doc, Jackson and Jefferson.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Think he’d learn after getting him snuffed by the Warriors.

Can’t be to big for your britches.

I still can’t believe they got rid of Jeff.

He’s better than Doris, Doc, Jackson and Jefferson.

I like JVG but he was saying stuff that didn't put the NBA in a favorable light.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

I like JVG but he was saying stuff that didn't put the NBA in a favorable light.

But he was telling the truth.

He worked for ESPN, not the NBA.

But, business is business.

 

[DJ Fieri]

But he was telling the truth.

He worked for ESPN, not the NBA.

But, business is business.

Yeah....

Maybe now he decides to come back to coaching? LOL.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Yeah....

Maybe now he decides to come back to coaching? LOL.

That is the reason they gave for letting him go.

Don’t know if I’m buying it.

ESPN worried Jeff Van Gundy would leave TV to coach again before layoff

Van Gundy established himself as one of the top basketball announcers but there had long been speculation about whether he’d eventually get another shot leading a team.

nypost.com