2023 offseason thread

[Shanemansj13]

The Suns gotta flip Ayton for some depth now.

Flip him for Turner and Hield

 

[Shanemansj13]

That is a terrible package. I wonder what they get from LA if they reroute CP3

 

[wildturkey]

Totally disagree.

Phoenix basically gave up nothing.

Not sure about the fit with Beal and Booker, what they really needed was a younger CP3.

But the Wizards got basically nothing in return.

The value of the deal itself isn't the problem for Phoenix. It's multiple other factors that make it very questionable and reckless in acquiring Beal. For one, Beal is an awkward fit around KD/Booker considering all 3 are scorers and with Beal likely being the third option, what other value does he bring if he's not scoring? If he could facilitate or play defense, it'd be great. But he doesn't. Secondly, they're now stuck with Beal's awful contract and inherit the no trade clause so if it goes bust, they have limited options to move him which leads into the 3rd point. They will for sure be a 2nd apron tax team which severely limits how they can construct a roster. So by taking on a player with a no trade clause on top of the CBA rules, you're deliberately choosing the most difficult way to run a team. With regards with CBA, they're only gonna be left with vet min guys now. Can't even sign buy out people during the season. They will now have to nail every single role player fit they sign. If their big 3 fit better together, that task would be easier. But its not a seamless fit. Even if the fit goes better than one would think, that team is all gas no brakes. It's all offense no defense so its already flawed.

Their best course of action as it stands now is they need to nail an Ayton trade bringing back multiple role player pieces. If they go into next season with KD (who misses a lot of time now), Beal (who misses quite a few games), Booker (no stranger to missing games himself) along with Ayton and a bunch of bums, there's a very good chance it blows up larger than the Brooklyn Kyrie/KD/Harden flameout. They were close to a title with the team they had. They just needed more time together, a role player tweak tops. Now they've dramatically remade their team, haven't really increased their odds of winning a title (they were already contenders) but have dramatically increased their chances of disaster.

What Phoenix has done is given themselves a very narrow path to a championship with a high probability of disaster . There's no soft landing anywhere. It's classic new owner syndrome, thinking they can come in and fix it all and win it all right away. Percentage wise, that logic basically always misses.

 

[wildturkey]

@Mecca

They wouldn't be giving up anything of value for him (maaaaaybe Gordon but it depends on what your value level of him is) so its not a bad move for them. But honestly, I'd rather just see if I could get him after he's waived. I don't see much difference in their chances with CP3 vs the their chances of keeping Westbrook. Maybe you get a role player that's a better fit or some kind of pick for those role players later. Moving off Morris, who is god awful, is worth it either way though.

 

[wildturkey]

That is a terrible package. I wonder what they get from LA if they reroute CP3

Filler and nothing else. People like Morris, RoCo or Gordon. Maybe some 2nds tossed in. Wizards needed a rebuild and while I know Beal has a no trade clause that TANKED his value, with what they've done, they would have been better off keeping him and waiting until he was absolutely miserable and opened up his possbilities. You can still gut the rest of your team and keep a big contract. You've sat on him this long. One more year wasn't gonna hurt.

 

[DJ Fieri]

The value of the deal itself isn't the problem for Phoenix. It's multiple other factors that make it very questionable and reckless in acquiring Beal. For one, Beal is an awkward fit around KD/Booker considering all 3 are scorers and with Beal likely being the third option, what other value does he bring if he's not scoring? If he could facilitate or play defense, it'd be great. But he doesn't. Secondly, they're now stuck with Beal's awful contract and inherit the no trade clause so if it goes bust, they have limited options to move him which leads into the 3rd point. They will for sure be a 2nd apron tax team which severely limits how they can construct a roster. So by taking on a player with a no trade clause on top of the CBA rules, you're deliberately choosing the most difficult way to run a team. With regards with CBA, they're only gonna be left with vet min guys now. Can't even sign buy out people during the season. They will now have to nail every single role player fit they sign. If their big 3 fit better together, that task would be easier. But its not a seamless fit. Even if the fit goes better than one would think, that team is all gas no brakes. It's all offense no defense so its already flawed.

Their best course of action as it stands now is they need to nail an Ayton trade bringing back multiple role player pieces. If they go into next season with KD (who misses a lot of time now), Beal (who misses quite a few games), Booker (no stranger to missing games himself) along with Ayton and a bunch of bums, there's a very good chance it blows up larger than the Brooklyn Kyrie/KD/Harden flameout. They were close to a title with the team they had. They just needed more time together, a role player tweak tops. Now they've dramatically remade their team, haven't really increased their odds of winning a title (they were already contenders) but have dramatically increased their chances of disaster.

What Phoenix has done is given themselves a very narrow path to a championship with a high probability of disaster . There's no soft landing anywhere. It's classic new owner syndrome, thinking they can come in and fix it all and win it all right away. Percentage wise, that logic basically always misses.

Beal and Booker are both SG's really.

Saw a great tweet they are risking their salary cap on Beal to have a bunch of Uber drivers on their bench......LOL.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Man, Miami is so much better off if they land Dame.....

Butler, Dame, and Bam is a really good trio.

 

[wildturkey]

Beal and Booker are both SG's really.

Saw a great tweet they are risking their salary cap on Beal to have a bunch of Uber drivers on their bench......LOL.

Booker is capable of running point. He's more comfortable as the off guard, but he's capable so its not a total disaster of a fit. But Beal's talents already overlap what the Suns already do well with Booker and KD. It's not really a compliment. It's just more of what they already had so that's what makes it awkward.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Booker is capable of running point. He's more comfortable as the off guard, but he's capable so its not a total disaster of a fit. But Beal's talents already overlap what the Suns already do well with Booker and KD. It's not really a compliment. It's just more of what they already had so that's what makes it awkward.

Yeah......and like you said they have to nail every vet min signing.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Man, Miami is so much better off if they land Dame.....

Butler, Dame, and Bam is a really good trio.

Best in the east

 

[Shanemansj13]

 

[DJ Fieri]

Best in the east

I would agree because Butler and Dame is a real good 1-2 punch.

2 really good players.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Not sure how. He prolly getting 30 mill per.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Kd really dont want to end that super team narrative lol

Only way he can win but it will be funny if they still don’t win bc they have zero depth. Better hope guys take less to win a ring, even then it will be a lackluster bench

 

[fightinfunbags]

How good is he? He’s a volume shooter on a shit team in a shit organization that has played 40 and 50 games the past two seasons.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Totally disagree.

Phoenix basically gave up nothing.

Not sure about the fit with Beal and Booker, what they really needed was a younger CP3.

But the Wizards got basically nothing in return.

True. But now the Suns are stuck with arguably the worst contract in the league. There’s no playmaker on that roster now. You essentially added the same player Booker is except Booker is better. This is a brainless owner trying to play fantasy basketball with his real life basketball roster.

 

[fightinfunbags]

The value of the deal itself isn't the problem for Phoenix. It's multiple other factors that make it very questionable and reckless in acquiring Beal. For one, Beal is an awkward fit around KD/Booker considering all 3 are scorers and with Beal likely being the third option, what other value does he bring if he's not scoring? If he could facilitate or play defense, it'd be great. But he doesn't. Secondly, they're now stuck with Beal's awful contract and inherit the no trade clause so if it goes bust, they have limited options to move him which leads into the 3rd point. They will for sure be a 2nd apron tax team which severely limits how they can construct a roster. So by taking on a player with a no trade clause on top of the CBA rules, you're deliberately choosing the most difficult way to run a team. With regards with CBA, they're only gonna be left with vet min guys now. Can't even sign buy out people during the season. They will now have to nail every single role player fit they sign. If their big 3 fit better together, that task would be easier. But its not a seamless fit. Even if the fit goes better than one would think, that team is all gas no brakes. It's all offense no defense so its already flawed.

Their best course of action as it stands now is they need to nail an Ayton trade bringing back multiple role player pieces. If they go into next season with KD (who misses a lot of time now), Beal (who misses quite a few games), Booker (no stranger to missing games himself) along with Ayton and a bunch of bums, there's a very good chance it blows up larger than the Brooklyn Kyrie/KD/Harden flameout. They were close to a title with the team they had. They just needed more time together, a role player tweak tops. Now they've dramatically remade their team, haven't really increased their odds of winning a title (they were already contenders) but have dramatically increased their chances of disaster.

What Phoenix has done is given themselves a very narrow path to a championship with a high probability of disaster . There's no soft landing anywhere. It's classic new owner syndrome, thinking they can come in and fix it all and win it all right away. Percentage wise, that logic basically always misses.

Great post. All of this. Should we just fast forward to the Nets 2.0 when everybody wants out of a poorly run shit franchise?

 

[trojanfan12]

Not sure how. He prolly getting 30 mill per.

In theory, they'd be swapping D-Lo's contract for what is essentially the same amount, but for a better player. But that's not taking into account the raises that Rui, Reaves and Schroder earned for themselves. So, they'd have to say goodbye to at least 2 of the 3.

If Lebron were younger and AD less injury prone, they might be able to get away with it and still get a title, but not now.

 

[Duffman]

 

[bksballer89]

How good is he? He’s a volume shooter on a shit team in a shit organization that has played 40 and 50 games the past two seasons.

I think he's pretty good. He is a playmaker and just had his most efficient season on the fewest shots per game in about 6 years so I don't think that is accurate. His health is more of a concern for me than anything else