2023 offseason thread

[The Q]

Filler and nothing else. People like Morris, RoCo or Gordon. Maybe some 2nds tossed in. Wizards needed a rebuild and while I know Beal has a no trade clause that TANKED his value, with what they've done, they would have been better off keeping him and waiting until he was absolutely miserable and opened up his possbilities. You can still gut the rest of your team and keep a big contract. You've sat on him this long. One more year wasn't gonna hurt.

Likely get 30 imo

Got Gordon and Coffey salaries get you there if they don’t guarantee 100% of Paul’s money

 

[The Q]

Wizards To Trade Bradley Beal To Suns

JUNE 19, 12:21pm: In addition to Beal and Goodwin, the Wizards are also sending Isaiah Todd to the Suns in …

www.hoopsrumors.com

Giving up Goodwin too…yikes

 

[Duffman]

Did the Suns just get worse? Right now they haven’t traded Ayton meaning we have to judge this based on who they have currently. Beal is just an older less good version of Booker and the Suns have no bench so they better hope that none of their big 3 known for injuries doesn’t get hurt.

 

[bksballer89]

Did the Suns just get worse? Right now they haven’t traded Ayton meaning we have to judge this based on who they have currently. Beal is just an older less good version of Booker and the Suns have no bench so they better hope that none of their big 3 known for injuries doesn’t get hurt.

No lol

They traded a old cp3 and shamet for beal who is a top 25 player. Beal being older/less good means nothing here because that means he can be the 3rd option

 

[bksballer89]

By the time next season start, beal will be 30 & book will be 27. Beal isn't old by any stretch

 

[bksballer89]

This is crazy especially when you consider that only cp3 wasn't in his prime at the time he played with them

 

[The Q]

Idk who trades for Ayton

Dallas?

Maybe Portland?

Chicago for derozen?

 

[bksballer89]

Idk who trades for Ayton

Dallas?

Maybe Portland?

Chicago for derozen?

Dallas would make the most sense

 

[wildturkey]

Did the Suns just get worse? Right now they haven’t traded Ayton meaning we have to judge this based on who they have currently. Beal is just an older less good version of Booker and the Suns have no bench so they better hope that none of their big 3 known for injuries doesn’t get hurt.

Not worse, but not better either. They're just different, with an increased odds of disaster. Gotta wait to see what they do with Ayton though.

 

[Duffman]

No lol

They traded an old cp3 and shamet for beal who is a top 25 player. Beal being older/less good means nothing here because that means he can be the 3rd option

Great and when the starters are playing 48 minutes every night because they have no bench and everyone is gassed by game 20 I’m sure they’ll be real thankful they made this trade.

Obviously I’m exaggerating and no one is playing 48 minutes a night but it’s looking like they can only sign people to the vet minimum right now and need like 6 players considering half their current roster are free agents.

Between Durant, Booker, Beal, and Ayton that’s $161.5M total for those four and not much flexibility to make more changes.

 

[bksballer89]

Great and when the starters are playing 48 minutes every night because they have no bench and everyone is gassed by game 20 I’m sure they’ll be real thankful they made this trade.

Obviously I’m exaggerating and no one is playing 48 minutes a night but it’s looking like they can only sign people to the vet minimum right now and need like 6 players considering half their current roster are free agents.

Between Durant, Booker, Beal, and Ayton that’s $161.5M total for those four and not much flexibility to make more changes.

I'll be surprised if Ayton isn't moved

 

[Duffman]

I'll be surprised if Ayton isn't moved

I think he will, but just like Beal had the Wizards over a barrel because of his no trade clause, interested teams kind of have the Suns over one because they know they’re only real hope of filling out the rest of their roster is to trade Ayton so they might not get as much back in return as they would under different circumstances.

We just saw Beal get traded and Washington didn’t even get a 1st back, the Suns may be looking at a lower return back too.

 

[The Q]

Dallas would make the most sense

I agree

They have depth but lack Aytons upside

 

[wildturkey]

Dallas would make the most sense

I agree

They have depth but lack Aytons upside

Do they though? Guys like Wood and Powell are free agents. You could do Hardaway and Kleber (or Bertans or Bullock) for Ayton but if I'm Dallas, I'm not doing that. You're directly helping a competitor. And its not like Phoenix has any picks left to sweeten the deal. Ayton could be a nice player for them but he doesn't dramatically make them better, you're giving up depth to a direct competitor, and now need to find depth pieces yourself.

 

[wildturkey]

For an Ayton trade, Detroit could make a lot of sense. Phoenix can get good role players back in Bogdanovic and Burks, maybe even Beef Stew as well (money works for all 3, whether that's fair value is debateable). Detroit isn't going anywhere any time soon and now can turn those role players into a guy with all star upside. It leaves Phoenix front court thin but they should be able to find some serviceable centers on the market.

 

[tlance]

The value of the deal itself isn't the problem for Phoenix. It's multiple other factors that make it very questionable and reckless in acquiring Beal. For one, Beal is an awkward fit around KD/Booker considering all 3 are scorers and with Beal likely being the third option, what other value does he bring if he's not scoring? If he could facilitate or play defense, it'd be great. But he doesn't. Secondly, they're now stuck with Beal's awful contract and inherit the no trade clause so if it goes bust, they have limited options to move him which leads into the 3rd point. They will for sure be a 2nd apron tax team which severely limits how they can construct a roster. So by taking on a player with a no trade clause on top of the CBA rules, you're deliberately choosing the most difficult way to run a team. With regards with CBA, they're only gonna be left with vet min guys now. Can't even sign buy out people during the season. They will now have to nail every single role player fit they sign. If their big 3 fit better together, that task would be easier. But its not a seamless fit. Even if the fit goes better than one would think, that team is all gas no brakes. It's all offense no defense so its already flawed.

Their best course of action as it stands now is they need to nail an Ayton trade bringing back multiple role player pieces. If they go into next season with KD (who misses a lot of time now), Beal (who misses quite a few games), Booker (no stranger to missing games himself) along with Ayton and a bunch of bums, there's a very good chance it blows up larger than the Brooklyn Kyrie/KD/Harden flameout. They were close to a title with the team they had. They just needed more time together, a role player tweak tops. Now they've dramatically remade their team, haven't really increased their odds of winning a title (they were already contenders) but have dramatically increased their chances of disaster.

What Phoenix has done is given themselves a very narrow path to a championship with a high probability of disaster . There's no soft landing anywhere. It's classic new owner syndrome, thinking they can come in and fix it all and win it all right away. Percentage wise, that logic basically always misses.

Well, let’s wait and see what they do with Ayton before we judge.

I don’t think the fit is as bad as you claim.

Beal, KD and Booker are all capable of playing off ball or on ball. None are ball dominator types.

The issue is defense and health.

Defense can be addressed. And CP3 was never healthy anyway.

The Suns have a considerably higher ceiling than they did before this deal, and they really didn’t change the floor.

Do I think this trade will result in a championship?

Probably not. But they are closer than they were before.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

They were the 1 seed with everyone healthy

Not saying they’d stay there, but if eveyone is healthy that could be a top 4 seed

Especially with their guard depth

They could fill out their wings with mle

It would’ve been interesting

But with ball done, they gotta sell dd and Levine and start over

Come on now

You're acting like lonzo is a top 7 player

 

[Stakesarehigh]

For an Ayton trade, Detroit could make a lot of sense. Phoenix can get good role players back in Bogdanovic and Burks, maybe even Beef Stew as well (money works for all 3, whether that's fair value is debateable). Detroit isn't going anywhere any time soon and now can turn those role players into a guy with all star upside. It leaves Phoenix front court thin but they should be able to find some serviceable centers on the market.

Detroit trading their two best shooters and the one big that can play 4 for yet another center makes no sense lol. If they did the deal it would have to include Wiseman or Duren or Bagley. Stew can actually play the 4.

I can see them packaging Bojan (because hes 34) there but i don't think they'd do both.

But like I said it would be pretty bizarre for Detroit to invest in 3 other bigs just to trade for another big.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Come on now

You're acting like lonzo is a top 7 player

He isn't but he fit what they need perfectly.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Detroit trading their two best shooters and the one big that can play 4 for yet another center makes no sense lol. If they did the deal it would have to include Wiseman or Duren or Bagley. Stew can actually play the 4.

I can see them packaging Bojan (because hes 34) there but i don't think they'd do both.

But like I said it would be pretty bizarre for Detroit to invest in 3 other bigs just to trade for another big.

I was about to post....Bog and Wiseman for Ayton could work...