2023 Free agency and trade thread

[Shanemansj13]

Didn't the Cards just say yesterday that Dobbs was starting week 9? Maybe they weren't talking about "for Arizona", lol....

So do the Cards finally activate Kyler or continue to slow foot this process by starting Tune?

Originally this was said but yesterday it was between Murray and Tune. Today they announced Tune was starting.

#tanking

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

I never said it wasn't good for Seattle but it's why there probably wasn't much competition

Sorry @Shanemansj13 , I misunderstood what you were saying earlier then. I will add this as well though. If he helps us win the division and play at home in the play-offs and the team can get to the NFCCG, that 2nd rounder ends up being really late 2nd so almost 3rd anyway. That's my hope.

 

[ducky]

Clearly the best move of the trade deadline.

Maybe the best move of the year.

Might be the best move in the last decade or so.

Super Bowl here we come.

 

[shopson67]

Originally this was said but yesterday it was between Murray and Tune. Today they announced Tune was starting.

#tanking

I need Murray back by week 13 for fantasy purposes lol. Don't want to start Zach Wilson lol.

 

[DJ Fieri]

I think this comes down to the quality of next year's draft. I'm eyeballing it now and only seeing 4 1st round edge prospects with 3 kinda in the mix. Odds of getting a Sweat type of player at pick 35 or so is probably slim although I do think you could get a defensive starter on a rookie contract at that spot.

Not the best move but if you're desperate then its the type of move you make.

Yeah....a 2nd isn't an expensive price to pay at all.

 

[justanidiot]

Now Chase Young would bring a good 1st and maybe more but Washington is prolly keeping him now.

To me the conversation was all about needing at least a first rounder, so it moved to what about the other guy you have there.

 

[ducky]

I just hate moves like the Seahawks and Bears just made because it absolutely forces them to vastly overpay in order to keep those players.

Sweat now will get $30M AAV or close to it. He wouldn't have gotten that on the open market IMO. But now that a team has money in the pot already, they have to make sure to see it all the way to the river. And they have to do it before he hits FA or else he can peak around for a better spot which means they have to give him more just to put pen to paper before FA starts for a dollar value over what he really should be getting paid.

In a league where you only can sign about 4 or 5 players to top value contracts, neither Sweat or Williams are guys that I would want my team handing out those top contracts too. And I REALLY dont want them to be handing over valuable draft assets for the right to do so.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Sorry @Shanemansj13 , I misunderstood what you were saying earlier then. I will add this as well though. If he helps us win the division and play at home in the play-offs and the team can get to the NFCCG, that 2nd rounder ends up being really late 2nd so almost 3rd anyway. That's my hope.

We agree

 

[justanidiot]

I just hate moves like the Seahawks and Bears just made because it absolutely forces them to vastly overpay in order to keep those players.

Sweat now will get $30M AAV or close to it. He wouldn't have gotten that on the open market IMO. But now that a team has money in the pot already, they have to make sure to see it all the way to the river. And they have to do it before he hits FA or else he can peak around for a better spot which means they have to give him more just to put pen to paper before FA starts for a dollar value over what he really should be getting paid.

In a league where you only can sign about 4 or 5 players to top value contracts, neither Sweat or Williams are guys that I would want my team handing out those top contracts too. And I REALLY dont want them to be handing over valuable draft assets for the right to do so.

You need to understand, or organization made Jackson the highest paid safety in football for almost 2 years, and he never knew how to tackle.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I just hate moves like the Seahawks and Bears just made because it absolutely forces them to vastly overpay in order to keep those players.

Sweat now will get $30M AAV or close to it. He wouldn't have gotten that on the open market IMO. But now that a team has money in the pot already, they have to make sure to see it all the way to the river. And they have to do it before he hits FA or else he can peak around for a better spot which means they have to give him more just to put pen to paper before FA starts for a dollar value over what he really should be getting paid.

In a league where you only can sign about 4 or 5 players to top value contracts, neither Sweat or Williams are guys that I would want my team handing out those top contracts too. And I REALLY dont want them to be handing over valuable draft assets for the right to do so.

Every Washington fan I have heard loves this trade. Sweat is so overrated, he has never had double digit sacks and has averaged 7.25 sacks a season. He is not a pass rusher yet he will be paid, at 28 when the season starts, like he is an elite pass rusher. For that the Bears gave up a very high 2nd.

 

[Clayton]

And it frees up those 2 early 1st rounders for help at other positions. If they decide to restart the clock at QB, they can still trade Fields for more early draft capital.

Jaylon Johnson is a better player than Sweat imo so I guess we'll find out what the Bears are doing based on what they do with him.

 

[DJ Fieri]

I just hate moves like the Seahawks and Bears just made because it absolutely forces them to vastly overpay in order to keep those players.

Sweat now will get $30M AAV or close to it. He wouldn't have gotten that on the open market IMO. But now that a team has money in the pot already, they have to make sure to see it all the way to the river. And they have to do it before he hits FA or else he can peak around for a better spot which means they have to give him more just to put pen to paper before FA starts for a dollar value over what he really should be getting paid.

In a league where you only can sign about 4 or 5 players to top value contracts, neither Sweat or Williams are guys that I would want my team handing out those top contracts too. And I REALLY dont want them to be handing over valuable draft assets for the right to do so.

Williams was a smart move. They also added Frank Clark. They are clearly trying to fortify themselves on defense with Purdy's 3 game skid in SF. Trying to win the NFC West and have a playoff run.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

I just hate moves like the Seahawks and Bears just made because it absolutely forces them to vastly overpay in order to keep those players.

Sweat now will get $30M AAV or close to it. He wouldn't have gotten that on the open market IMO. But now that a team has money in the pot already, they have to make sure to see it all the way to the river. And they have to do it before he hits FA or else he can peak around for a better spot which means they have to give him more just to put pen to paper before FA starts for a dollar value over what he really should be getting paid.

In a league where you only can sign about 4 or 5 players to top value contracts, neither Sweat or Williams are guys that I would want my team handing out those top contracts too. And I REALLY dont want them to be handing over valuable draft assets for the right to do so.

Sweat won't get paid anywhere near that, imo. He won't have enough impact to warrant such a high amount and isn't getting paid Donald, Watt, Bosa money even if he plays well and makes a difference. The Seahawks are in a totally different position than the Bears. We don't have to sign Williams but can more or less recruit him through the last 10 weeks and hopefully, a play-off run. It may cost around 12-15 mil aav over 3 years to keep him but we have cap flexibility and a ton of talent on rookie deals. Also, our 2nd rounder could well be almost a 3rd rounder if this works out. And the team has an extra 3rd anyway. We aren't losing much and would likely not see anything with that pick that is remotely close, talentwise.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Sweat won't get paid anywhere near that, imo. He won't have enough impact to warrant such a high amount and isn't getting paid Donald, Watt, Bosa money even if he plays well and makes a difference. The Seahawks are in a totally different position than the Bears. We don't have to sign Williams but can more or less recruit him through the last 10 weeks and hopefully, a play-off run. It may cost around 12-15 mil aav over 3 years to keep him but we have cap flexibility and a ton of talent on rookie deals. Also, our 2nd rounder could well be almost a 3rd rounder if this works out. And the team has an extra 3rd anyway. We aren't losing much and would likely not see anything with that pick that is remotely close, talentwise.

No way Sweat gets 30 mill per...LOL.

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

No way Sweat gets 30 mill per...LOL.

I agree. Zero chance of that happening.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Sweat won't get 30 million but he will be overpaid. As posted the Bears have committed a high pick for him so he knows they have to retain him so he has leverage.

 

[shopson67]

Every Washington fan I have heard loves this trade. Sweat is so overrated, he has never had double digit sacks and has averaged 7.25 sacks a season. He is not a pass rusher yet he will be paid, at 28 when the season starts, like he is an elite pass rusher. For that the Bears gave up a very high 2nd.

This helps the Bears D get closer to where they need to be, which is why I don't get them making Jaylon Johnson available. Weird to invest and sell at the same time.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Chase Young to the Niners.

 

[Shanemansj13]

No excuses for the Niners

 

[ducky]

Sweat won't get paid anywhere near that, imo. He won't have enough impact to warrant such a high amount and isn't getting paid Donald, Watt, Bosa money even if he plays well and makes a difference. The Seahawks are in a totally different position than the Bears. We don't have to sign Williams but can more or less recruit him through the last 10 weeks and hopefully, a play-off run. It may cost around 12-15 mil aav over 3 years to keep him but we have cap flexibility and a ton of talent on rookie deals. Also, our 2nd rounder could well be almost a 3rd rounder if this works out. And the team has an extra 3rd anyway. We aren't losing much and would likely not see anything with that pick that is remotely close, talentwise.

No way Sweat gets 30 mill per...LOL.

I agree. Zero chance of that happening.

Sweat won't get 30 million but he will be overpaid. As posted the Bears have committed a high pick for him so he knows they have to retain him so he has leverage.

Keep up people.

Packers LB Gary agrees to $107.5M extension

Literally in just the last couple of day Rashad Gary just signed a 4 year $27 AAV contract.

Those two entered the league in the exact same year. Gary has 27 career sacks. Sweat has 35.

It is literally the contract template that will be used during negotiation with Sweat's agent demanding a slight hike this offseason not to hit FA.