2022 NBA Offseason thread

[DJ Fieri]

 

[WiggyRuss]

Lmao

No.

There is no team that will do that..lol

I don't remember a single report coming from Brooklyn, or even attributed to a source close to the team, that said they'd send you Kyrie for two 1st rounders.

That all came from the talking heads playing Fantasy GM on TV.

They have consistently said they'd deal KD and figure out Kyrie after.

Never said a thing about terms, like you said, until now.

But, yeah....they have consistently, EMPHATICALLY, said no Westbrook.

So, I don't see the Lakers getting Kyrie this year.

...and you would need to do some salary cap gymnastics to give him a max as a free agent in the Summer.

So, what are the odds you actually bring Westbrook back into that locker room in 6 weeks?

I would not.

Your next best option has to be Utah.

I like Turner in Indy.

But, why have 3 Centers on the bench in the 4th when you move AD to Center?

Bogdo and one of the point guards and roll the dice.

Davis hates playing center- and already has a tough time staying healthy though- and those are 3 centers are all below average. Turner is steadily above average. I think that is the attractive part of Turner.

If Davis grew a pair- and stayed healthy and could get tough- def. playing him at center is ideal--- but can he get there?

 

[wildturkey]

Lmao

No.

There is no team that will do that..lol

I don't remember a single report coming from Brooklyn, or even attributed to a source close to the team, that said they'd send you Kyrie for two 1st rounders.

That all came from the talking heads playing Fantasy GM on TV.

They have consistently said they'd deal KD and figure out Kyrie after.

Never said a thing about terms, like you said, until now.

But, yeah....they have consistently, EMPHATICALLY, said no Westbrook.

So, I don't see the Lakers getting Kyrie this year.

...and you would need to do some salary cap gymnastics to give him a max as a free agent in the Summer.

So, what are the odds you actually bring Westbrook back into that locker room in 6 weeks?

I would not.

Your next best option has to be Utah.

I like Turner in Indy.

But, why have 3 Centers on the bench in the 4th when you move AD to Center?

Bogdo and one of the point guards and roll the dice.

Here you go. Lakers split the 2 first rounders they can trade sending 1 to Utah and the other to Brooklyn. NY sends a shit ton of picks to Utah as well. Also, Fournier or Randle work in Rose's spot just as well. You can also play with the numbers and toss Barrett to Utah to beef up their return.

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[fightinfunbags]

Here you go. Lakers split the 2 first rounders they can trade sending 1 to Utah and the other to Brooklyn. NY sends a shit ton of picks to Utah as well. Also, Fournier or Randle work in Rose's spot just as well. You can also play with the numbers and toss Barrett to Utah to beef up their return.

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That’s a horrible trade for Utah and the Nets.

 

[thunderc]

That’s a horrible trade for Utah and the Nets.

Doesn’t matter, the Lakers need help

 

[BigKen]

In my experience, kids are almost never very accurate in their perception of their own abilities at that age.

We tend to overlook the fact that these guys are young and haven't lived a "normal" life since they were 12 years old. As Jaylen Brown said the other day, "From the time I first stepped on a court, the only time I haven't been on one, I've been in bed or in the bathroom."

 

[DJ Fieri]

We tend to overlook the fact that these guys are young and haven't lived a "normal" life since they were 12 years old. As Jaylen Brown said the other day, "From the time I first stepped on a court, the only time I haven't been on one, I've been in bed or in the bathroom."

He must have forgot being in the kitchen.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Assuming Kyrie stays and that things don't go much better, it will be really interesting to see what happens with Kyrie. Only the Lakers were interested in trading for him.

How many more teams would be interested in signing him as an FA and how many of those are going to be willing to give him a big contract?

Maybe he ''crazies himself'' into the Lakers price range? lol

Honestly, I think that is a very real possibility.

Can Kyrie rehab his reputation by having a good year?

Sure.

Chris Paul was able to.

But, those are very different situations.

Nobody ever questioned CP3's commitment.

So, I'm not sure teams are going to be lining up to give him a long-term max just because he plays nice in a contract year.

Next Summer the Lakers will have what....

Bron, AD, Christie and Jones under contract?

That only leaves about 25 million-ish per to offer Kyrie because you will have like 10 goddamn roster holds because you don't have anyone under contract.

Who next Summer is going to offer him more?

You think he wants to live in fricking Minnesota to replace Russell?

Start his own religious cult in Utah?!?!?

Nah....Ainge already did that dance with Kyrie once.

So, unless some injury happens, or Toronto loses their minds and give up Vanfleet, Barnes and stuff for Kyrie and KD......

You have as good a chance as anyone.

 

[BigKen]

Doesn’t matter, the Lakers need help

How is it that other teams just accept a bad trade because it works for the Lakers?

You Hooplans may be laker fans, but I highly doubt that other teams' owners and GMs are.

IMO, no one is going to take a bag of crap and one draft pick to insure that the Lakers can fit Kyrie under their cap. JMHO.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

exactly

the Nets are not going to trade Kyrie if they think the key to getting Durant to stay (or at least tolerate staying) is having Kyrie this year.

Maybe they deal Kyrie at the deadline if they are looking like a deadass team- but if they are looking good- and honestly-no reason they should not with Durant/Kyrie/Simmons/Harris/Mills/TJ Warren/ Royce O'Neale, etc...

honestly--- O'Neale and Warren are underated signings- and Mills was an underated resigning.

I think the 3 most talented teams on paper are the Nets, Clips and Warriors. Now- on paper does not always translate obviously.


Not only that- but because LeBron is greedy- if they dont get Kyrie via trade--- how do they get him? I dont think they have enough cap space in the offseason.

Its gonna be interesting.

The Nets could be really good.

But, it all hinges on their ability to smooth things over with Durant.

I don't think Kyrie wants to leave.

He's from the area.

His dad lives near by.

He likes being near his family.

I think he overplayed his hand because he didn't believe the Nets would have the balls to withhold a max deal.

He was wrong.

That Durant Trump card is less lethal when he is locked into a 4 year deal.

We shall see if any of these relationships are salvageable.

If they are, they can be dangerous.

Simmons could only be in a better situation if he was on the Warriors roster.

Shooting all over the roster.

He gives them 2 things they are sorely lacking:

Defense and a second ballhandler, shot creator.

I love the Warren and Royce pickups.

Now, all they need is Durant to suck it up and some more size.

Claxton needs a backup desperately.

Maybe your guy Whiteside?

Boogie, Howard?

 

[The Q]

Um, yeah.

That's what they were saying on the Lebatard show.

Not that there isn't interest.

More like, teams aren't wasting their time because he's likely not even going to college.

But, that has also changed already.

No shock, its from Penny Hardaway.

He hasn't had great success even when he lands a top recruit.

Emoni Bates and Wiseman bailed on his ass early.

I mean wiseman went second overall

He was always one and done

Bates left because him being a pg wasn’t working out there

 

[The Q]

The Nets could be really good.

But, it all hinges on their ability to smooth things over with Durant.

I don't think Kyrie wants to leave.

He's from the area.

His dad lives near by.

He likes being near his family.

I think he overplayed his hand because he didn't believe the Nets would have the balls to withhold a max deal.

He was wrong.

That Durant Trump card is less lethal when he is locked into a 4 year deal.

We shall see if any of these relationships are salvageable.

If they are, they can be dangerous.

Simmons could only be in a better situation if he was on the Warriors roster.

Shooting all over the roster.

He gives them 2 things they are sorely lacking:

Defense and a second ballhandler, shot creator.

I love the Warren and Royce pickups.

Now, all they need is Durant to suck it up and some more size.

Claxton needs a backup desperately.

Maybe your guy Whiteside?

Boogie, Howard?

Whiteside was actually quite good last year

Dude is continued to be underrated

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

How is it that other teams just accept a bad trade because it works for the Lakers?

You Hooplans may be laker fans, but I highly doubt that other teams' owners and GMs are.

IMO, no one is going to take a bag of crap and one draft pick to insure that the Lakers can fit Kyrie under their cap. JMHO.

Ya, he is joking.

That's a long running gag for us on the NBA threads.

Everyone is willing to give the Lakers treasure for their hot, burning piles of trash.

GMAFB...lol

Most Lakers fans here are not totally delusional.

But, we do get the odd ridiculous fantasy GM trade idea from time to time....lol


* side eyes @DJ *

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

I mean wiseman went second overall

He was always one and done

Bates left because him being a pg wasn’t working out there

Yeah.

I have no issue with him being one and done

But, Wiseman quit in January, before the season ended, because he took money.

Not sure if they were already out of contention for the tourney and I get why he wouldn't want to risk injury if that was the case.

But, he absolutely bailed.

As far as Emoni goes...

I listed him as a example of Penny losing top guys and why a team like that might be interested in bringing in a player like Bronny.

No shade on Emoni for ghosting.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Whiteside was actually quite good last year

Dude is continued to be underrated

I wanted him this Summer and last.

Dunno if the Clippers reached out.

They seem to want to see if they have anything with Moses Brown and maybe waiting to see if another vet gets cut in training camp.

Do you think Favors is cooked?

We have a trade exception and I was even wondering about a guy like Theis, who fits money wise.

They tried to bring in Noel.

But, Pistons look like they are keeping him for now.

Zubac can't be the only Center.

 

[The Q]

I wanted him this Summer and last.

Dunno if the Clippers reached out.

They seem to want to see if they have anything with Moses Brown and maybe waiting to see if another vet gets cut in training camp.

Do you think Favors is cooked?

We have a trade exception and I was even wondering about a guy like Theis, who fits money wise.

They tried to bring in Noel.

But, Pistons look like they are keeping him for now.

Zubac can't be the only Center.

I wanted the Celtics ti use their tpe on favors

They are gonna need to monitor Al’s minutes a lot more than last year

 

[trojanfan12]

That’s a horrible trade for Utah and the Nets.

Honestly, while I don't see that trade happening, it depends on the perspective.

Obviously, it works for the Lakers and Knicks.

For the Nets, considering no one but the Lakers is interested in trading for Kyrie, that's probably about as good as they are going to get for him and it moves Harris as well. Their other option is keep him and risk losing him after the season while getting nothing in return. I don't know if that group with KD can get out of the east, but I think it could put them in the mix if they can all stay healthy.

The Jazz are blowing it up and @wildturkey said that they'd be getting a bunch of picks...not to mention cap space. Looks like Ainge is trying to do what he did in Boston, so that deal would help with that.

Having said that, if @Mecca is right and everything gets smoothed over with Kyrie and KD, then Kyrie wont be going anywhere.

Also, it is probably time to move on from the Kyrie idea anyway. Too much wishy washy with him. First he wants to stay with the Nets, then his priority was getting to the Lakers, then he warmed back up to the Nets and now he's supposedly committed to the Nets again.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

I wanted the Celtics ti use their tpe on favors

They are gonna need to monitor Al’s minutes a lot more than last year

You gotta think Favors is the odd man out in OKC.

I get that they don't necessarily want a roster full of children.

But, I think they are 3 guaranteed contacts over.

I can't see them cutting 3 youngsters in order to keep a older Favors, who is on a expiring contract.

What about Holmes?

That newbie poster, with the propensity for yelling, seems to think Queta is the undisputed starter in Sacto.

So, maybe he can be had.

 

[Retroram52]

Yeah, on the Hoop Collective they said the Nets are not interested in the Lakers offer.

They won't take Westbrook and are not just looking for draft compensation.

They want a replacement.

Stein said the same.

Woj said the same.

Lakers need to get another team involved or move on to another deal.

Because, the Nets have repeatedly said Hell no.

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Spot on Mecca as usual. And I don't know what fantasy-land Mychal Thompson lives in but the old cliche of the Tiger's stripes is invoked here.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Honestly, while I don't see that trade happening, it depends on the perspective.

Obviously, it works for the Lakers and Knicks.

For the Nets, considering no one but the Lakers is interested in trading for Kyrie, that's probably about as good as they are going to get for him and it moves Harris as well. Their other option is keep him and risk losing him after the season while getting nothing in return. I don't know if that group with KD can get out of the east, but I think it could put them in the mix if they can all stay healthy.

The Jazz are blowing it up and @wildturkey said that they'd be getting a bunch of picks...not to mention cap space. Looks like Ainge is trying to do what he did in Boston, so that deal would help with that.

Kyrie on a contract Year could bring more at the deadline for a team that’s looking to win now. Joe Harris isn’t a bad contract at $20 million. Is he overvalued? Probably by about 3-5 mil a year. $20 isn’t astronomical. Sometimes people get so wrapped up into the local media narrative. Joe Harris isn’t some albatross deal they’re looking to shed. When it’s time to move him, they’ll definitely be able to find a deal.