2021 NBA regular season thread

[DJ Fieri]

Something is really bad in the water.....that lake on fire is still dumbing down Cavs fans many years later.

 

[flyerhawk]

Garland and Sexton are soooooooooooo good.....LOL.

They both might turn out to be really good players. But not on the same team.

 

[flyerhawk]

In which case not a single coach should ever get fired

Coaches are fired for a lot of reasons. Phil Jackson was fired. Larry Brown was fired. In fact most coaches, even Hall of Fame coaches are fired at least once or twice in their career.

Sometimes they are fired because they have lost the team. Sometimes they are fired because the team needs a shakeup. Sometimes they are fired because they no longer agree with the front office.

Coaches are rarely fired because of on court decisions. Because most competent coaches will do mostly the same things. Call a time out here. Make a specific play call there. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

Now with NOT competent coaches that may not be the case. Brett Brown made clear tactical mistakes. Honestly, he lost me in the 1st Celtics playoff series. Sixers were up about 17 in Game 2 against the Celtics in the 3rd. The Celtics proceeded to wipe the entire lead away with Brown not calling a single timeout. They would up losing by 5 and were never in the series after that.

It reminded of me of Game 6 Sox-Yankees. Grady Little goes out to the mound in the 7th with the entire planet assuming that he was pulling Pedro because Pedro hit 100 pitches, which had been his witching hour ALL SEASON, and he had already given up some hard hits. And then he walks off without taking Pedro out.

Both times I was pulling my hair out wondering what the hell the coaches were doing. When EVERY fan is saying the same thing, and the coach doesn't do it, that's usually a sign of a problem.

 

[trojanfan12]

Man, Steph would be a really nice fit with James and AD.....too bad it can't happen.

He's gonna join the Bucks on a team friendly deal anyway.

 

[dtgold88]

When your players are 0-10 in the 4th quarter after blowing a double digit lead, maybe it's time to make some changes.

So you can blame him for not sticking with his guys when the subs don't play well? How about blame the players for being 0-10?

 

[dtgold88]

I think it is fair to play the coach if you can point to a couple specific things that he should have done differently.

Sometimes a coach does their job very well and the team still loses. Sometimes they do their job poorly and the team wins.

A good coach will generally take blame publicly because that is what good leaders do. But that doesn’t mean it really was their fault.

No doubt coaches deserve some blame but you know what I mean. If a fan does not like the coach then the coach is why they lost....of course when they win it's the players.

 

[dtgold88]

He's gonna join the Bucks on a team friendly deal anyway.

I guess whoever has Snell will be part of the sign and trade as a 3rd team?

 

[DJ Fieri]

He's gonna join the Bucks on a team friendly deal anyway.

 

[dtgold88]

Doc was the scapegoat. Simple as that.

Are you benching Paul George and Kawhi? Because they were missing all their shots down the stretch.

And calling timeouts?

The single biggest mistake an NBA coach can make is burning all their timeouts too early. They are way more valuable for end of game situations than at any other time.

And if they were burned and needed one will then blame the coach for not having the TO.

 

[dtgold88]

There's plenty of criticism on Doc yet all I'm hearing is "It was all the players fault"

7 years in LA, multiple superstar players, probably the deepest teams in the league during his stretch with the Clippers, yet the best he could do is a 2nd round playoff exit?

There was no leadership with Doc. How many games did Kawhi and PG have to "load manage" last season only to suffer one of the biggest humiliations in playoff history? Doc let guys like Kawhi waltz all over him.

Like the video I posted earlier said: "The Clippers problem was they had this arrogance that they could turn it on and off, and Doc allowed that."

You think Phil would have accepted Kawhi's lackluster attitude last season? Pat Riley? Hell, he tried it with Pop and got his ass shipped out.

doubt you ever once heard "all the players' fault" in this discussion.

FYI, Pop's teams haven't been very good without Kawhi. Did he forget how to coach?

 

[dtgold88]

Wow. Talk about re-writing history.

Right? Going only by memory as didn't follow closely, but wasn't it more like Kawhi wanted to go and not that Pop "wanted to ship his ass out?"

as I said...when fans don't like a coach they will blame him for losses. If they do they will make excuses for him if something goes wrong. This is a perfect example.

 

[dtgold88]

You mean you don't want to answer that because it makes Doc look even worse...

No...it's probably because more accurately Kawhi wanted out, not that Pop "shipped his ass out" due to lackluster play or attitude.

 

[dtgold88]

Gotta say I've always felt that Doc was a bit overrated...

I did, too...but she's taking it to the extreme.

 

[dtgold88]

In which case not a single coach should ever get fired

Or maybe a player should never be let go or traded for not living up to expectations by the way you look at it?

 

[dtgold88]

Oh, hold on now.

Load management does not come from the coaching staff. That is organizational. Kawhi had that worked as part of the deal when he signed and PG was coming back from off season surgery.

Yes, those guys missed too many regular season games to build up chemistry, but that is not Doc’s fault. He is not the one deciding when Kawhi sits. Promises were made when Kawhi was recruited.

As for the bubble, it seemed like half their team didn’t want to be there. Lou, Trezl etc had extended time away from the team. Can you blame Doc for that? I don’t know. Personally I don’t. These are all grown men. It isn’t Doc’s responsibility to keep Lou Williams out of the strip club.

The team dynamic from last season was off for many reasons outside Doc’s control. Preferential treatment of star players appears to have had a big impact on team chemistry, but how much of that blame truly falls on Doc? The coach typically isn’t the one deciding when players are unavailable to suit up.

This....does this "logic" mean Lue was a great coach because Lebron got preferential treatment and it worked in 2016? Though I guess that's why they lost the next 2 seasons and it had nothing to do with that KD guy.

 

[Black Adam]

Something is really bad in the water.....that lake on fire is still dumbing down Cavs fans many years later.

It's pretty clear WiggityWack still loves to talk shit about the teams he don't like, but I THOUGHT he learned to be more careful about it. Evidently not...

 

[Black Adam]

He's gonna join the Bucks on a team friendly deal anyway.

That's the Ouzo talkin'...

 

[dtgold88]

They both might turn out to be really good players. But not on the same team.

something to be said for that....depends who they get in next draft (and what would be offered for one of them). Floor for Sexton looks like borderline all star. Not sure what ceiling or floor is for Garland yet.

 

[dtgold88]

It's pretty clear WiggityWack still loves to talk shit about the teams he don't like, but I THOUGHT he learned to be more careful about it. Evidently not...

Taking the field vs the Lakers not exactly a crazy bet.

That said I'm sticking to not betting against Lebron in playoffs until someone other than a stacked GS team beats him again.

 

[Wamu]

Something is really bad in the water.....that lake on fire is still dumbing down Cavs fans many years later.

"that lake on fire"




Really, that's all ya got? Come on man! That happened in 1969.