2021 NBA regular season thread

[Wamu]

 

[Wamu]

I just want to say I love each and every one of you, even when you're wrong.

 

[flyerhawk]

1 player isn't responsible for that.

Not like Irving or KD are great dedenders.

KD is a pretty good defender. Irving is mostly hot trash.

 

[Heatles84]

It's interesting with Lebron. The problem is that you can't really do a long rebuild with him, even when he was young. He's too good, so a team can't lose enough games to get the high draft picks necessary. So, you end up with a situation like he had in Cleveland the first time...good enough for 1 fluke finals appearance and a bunch of 2nd round and ECF exits.

As for jumping to the best situation possible...yes and no. Imo, jumping to the best situation possible would be a team where just adding Lebron makes them a champion.

I think what he does do though, is look for teams that have assets and cap space so they can trade for and sign the players needed to become contenders. Which is what he found each time he left a team, including when he left Cleveland and went to the Heat. He's not going to some team that's cap strapped and has a bunch of average players that are difficult to trade.

This is exactly what I'm saying. But again, in the end, he has left stable situations/franchises - which totally debunks the whole, it's not Lebron's fault he wasn't drafted into a stable franchise. Because he's been on stable franchises and still left for perceived better situations.

 

[Heatles84]

“At some point”

Considering many here thought he was done after his first year in LA, that is quite the gamble for a 35 year old.

"Done" in what context? I think many here figured he'd play out his contract with the Lakers. In terms of not winning a title, I don't think anyone (without a clear biased agenda) thought Lebron's championship windows were closed.

 

[Heatles84]

I am not moving the goal posts at all.

You were wrong.

Where am I wrong? I've yet to see any counter argument that says I was wrong.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Who the fuck thought LeBron was done after his first season in LA?

And don't mention Wiggy, LB24 or DTgold.

 

[WiggyRuss]

OK now you're just being dumb on purpose. What gives?

i just think when history goes back and looks at MVP's it will be curious that Curry won 2 considering that he cant carry a team.

I mean- do you think all else being equal that Curry is a top 5 player?

its pretty rare for that to happen when you look back. it actually mirrors Steve Nash quite a bit who won 2 MVP's as well.

The list of multi-time MVP winners is very short----shit Kobe only won 1 mvp. Shaq only won 1 mvp.

to see guys like Curry and Nash win multiples- while guys like Kobe and Shaq each only won 1- seems odd.

i think history will show that Curry and Nash were lifted up by their teams to win multiple MVP awards--- while many of the guys on this list were just dominators that could have done it anywhere.

 

[msgkings322]

Man, everybody wants to argue today.

That's why this place is here

 

[msgkings322]

i just think when history goes back and looks at MVP's it will be curious that Curry won 2 considering that he cant carry a team.

I mean- do you think all else being equal that Curry is a top 5 player?

its pretty rare for that to happen when you look back. it actually mirrors Steve Nash quite a bit who won 2 MVP's as well.

The list of multi-time MVP winners is very short----shit Kobe only won 1 mvp. Shaq only won 1 mvp.

to see guys like Curry and Nash win multiples- while guys like Kobe and Shaq each only won 1- seems odd.

i think history will show that Curry and Nash were lifted up by their teams to win multiple MVP awards--- while many of the guys on this list were just dominators that could have done it anywhere.

LOL keep trying

 

[Black Adam]

That's why this place is here

Indeed...

Imagine if we all agreed...

 

[msgkings322]

I just want to say I love each and every one of you, even when you're wrong.

I'd like to just be friends

 

[trojanfan12]

This is exactly what I'm saying. But again, in the end, he has left stable situations/franchises - which totally debunks the whole, it's not Lebron's fault he wasn't drafted into a stable franchise. Because he's been on stable franchises and still left for perceived better situations.

Miami was definitely pretty stable. The only time Cleveland has been close to stable, imo, is when they had Lebron holding their feet to the fire. Even then, because Lebron and Gilbert don't appear to like each other, it still always seemed tenuous.

Traditionally, the Lakers have been one of the most stable franchises in all of sports. However, after Dr. Buss died, stable is hardly the word I would have used.

To be fair, I think most, Lebron included, felt that once Jeanie kicked Short Buss to the curb, the Lakers would eventually re-stabilize and there seemed to be some evidence that it was happening...but even then, the moves they made (bringing in Magic and Pelinka) didn't stabilize the situation right away.

 

[DJ Fieri]

@trojanfan12 why was @dtgold88 banned from the thread? Must have missed what went down that day.....

 

[Wamu]

Miami was definitely pretty stable. The only time Cleveland has been close to stable, imo, is when they had Lebron holding their feet to the fire. Even then, because Lebron and Gilbert don't appear to like each other, it still always seemed tenuous.

Traditionally, the Lakers have been one of the most stable franchises in all of sports. However, after Dr. Buss died, stable is hardly the word I would have used.

To be fair, I think most, Lebron included, felt that once Jeanie kicked Short Buss to the curb, the Lakers would eventually re-stabilize and there seemed to be some evidence that it was happening...but even then, the moves they made (bringing in Magic and Pelinka) didn't stabilize the situation right away.

When you said the only time the Cavs have been stable was when LeBron was holding their feet to the fire you talking about since LeBron was drafted or you talking about the entire history of the team?

 

[Wamu]

@trojanfan12 why was @dtgold88 banned from the thread? Must have missed what went down that day.....

Wait, what, huh- dtgold got banned? Wasn't he already banned from another NBA thread?

 

[trojanfan12]

When you said the only time the Cavs have been stable was when LeBron was holding their feet to the fire you talking about since LeBron was drafted or you talking about the entire history of the team?

Pretty much their entire history.

 

[Black Adam]

Wait, what, huh- dtgold got banned? Wasn't he already banned from another NBA thread?

Usually because he argues too much. Dunno if that's the case this time...

 

[Wamu]

Not this is some funny stuff. Got Jalen & Jacoby on right now.

Kyrie blames Nets struggles on virus protocols & how team is officated

Aren't the Nets currently dead last ppg given up?

 

[Wamu]

Pretty much their entire history.

Are you really suggesting the Cavs never had any success before LeBron? You're kinda making it sound like they never had a winning season before he got there.

 

[Black Adam]

Are you really suggesting the Cavs never had any success before LeBron? You're kinda making it sound like they never had a winning season before he got there.

Lol guess it depends on how you measure "success "...