2021 NBA regular season thread

[bksballer89]

Seems a bit premature. and why do they need to start winning games now? didn't Philly lose a lot of games with young guys? Did they all ask to leave when they got good?

Well Embiid and Simmons are top 20 players.....doubt we can say the same about Sexton and Garland.

 

[dtgold88]

Not necessarily. They have an advantage certainly but only if they are willing to give huge contracts to these young guys. Would the Cavs be willing to give a max or near max deal Garland?

If they thought he was worth it, sure they would. Guy still has 2 seasons after this one before they need to decide. Point is for him to talk after his rookie deal it's only if the Cavs choose to lose him (same with any guy coming off rookie deal).

 

[dtgold88]

Well Embiid and Simmons are top 20 players.....doubt we can say the same about Sexton and Garland.

That's fabulous but you said guys who lose a lot generally want to leave when they can. Didn't Simmons and Embiid see a lot of losing?

also arguable Simmons is a top 20 player and not crazy to think Sexton could pass him by the time he could walk.

 

[tlance]

Wow. I remember when Knicks fans lost their minds when they didn't draft him.

In fairness...

They wanted to take him over Frank Ntilikina who also sucks.

 

[tlance]

adams might beg to differ. Guess no kick but a slap to Lebron's.

Adams himself said it wasn’t deliberate.

 

[tlance]

Yeah.....a guy going into his 3rd or 4th deal in his 30s is the same as a guy who just turned 21 on a rookie contract.

I was right the Chiefs would win last year's SB, so guess that means I can never be wrong again?

No, the point is that you played that game about Kevin Love’s value long after it was blatantly obvious to everyone else.

You aren’t good at being objective when it comes to Cav players and their values.

 

[tlance]

That's fabulous but you said guys who lose a lot generally want to leave when they can. Didn't Simmons and Embiid see a lot of losing?

also arguable Simmons is a top 20 player and not crazy to think Sexton could pass him by the time he could walk.

No.

The 6ers lost a ton when Embiid and Simmons were sitting out.

As soon as they had both players healthy, they started winning.

 

[flyerhawk]

Seems a bit premature. and why do they need to start winning games now? didn't Philly lose a lot of games with young guys? Did they all ask to leave when they got good?

Hard for any of those guys to leave any time soon unless that's what the Cavs want. Sexton has another year after this one, Garland 2 and Okoro 3. and even when they are free they are restricted.

The Sixers won 50 games the first year they had Simmons on the floor.

I wasn't suggested that the Cavs have to win right now per se. But there are countless examples of bad young teams that never amount to anything because their players leave before being difference makers.

Do you think the Cavs could ever be title contenders with Garland and Sexton?

 

[flyerhawk]

That's fabulous but you said guys who lose a lot generally want to leave when they can. Didn't Simmons and Embiid see a lot of losing?

also arguable Simmons is a top 20 player and not crazy to think Sexton could pass him by the time he could walk.

Simmons has never played on a team with a losing record. Embiid played one shortened season.

 

[flyerhawk]

In fairness...

They wanted to take him over Frank Ntilikina who also sucks.

That is a fair point.

 

[dtgold88]

No, the point is that you played that game about Kevin Love’s value long after it was blatantly obvious to everyone else.

You aren’t good at being objective when it comes to Cav players and their values.

wrong about 1 Cavs' player not a pattern. Never mind without doc brown's car you didn't know Love would miss as much time as he did as he stayed relatively healthy in Lebron's 4 seasons (other than 1 playoff run). Disagreeing with your other extreme comments does not make me wrong.

Nice try, though.

 

[bksballer89]

That's fabulous but you said guys who lose a lot generally want to leave when they can. Didn't Simmons and Embiid see a lot of losing?

also arguable Simmons is a top 20 player and not crazy to think Sexton could pass him by the time he could walk.

not really

Sixers had one losing season with Simmons and that was the year he sat out so Simmons didn't experience losing yet

As for Embiid, he only experienced one losing season where he actually played as he sat out his first 2 seasons

So a grand total of 1 losing season when Simmons or Embiid actually played.....that's not a lot of losing

 

[dtgold88]

No.

The 6ers lost a ton when Embiid and Simmons were sitting out.

As soon as they had both players healthy, they started winning.

correct...they saw a lot of losing and stayed. Know who else saw early losing and stayed? Giannis in Milwaukee.

do you really think because a player loses early in his career it means he'll walk? as a restricted FA? Ignoring, of course, he cannot walk unless his own team chooses to let him.

 

[dtgold88]

The Sixers won 50 games the first year they had Simmons on the floor.

I wasn't suggested that the Cavs have to win right now per se. But there are countless examples of bad young teams that never amount to anything because their players leave before being difference makers.

Do you think the Cavs could ever be title contenders with Garland and Sexton?

But you are trying to say they will walk after their rookie deals which, unless the Cavs choose to let them, they cannot really do.

I'm not sure the cavs will ever be title contenders again as not exactly a FA hotbed here. But could they? Sure. Tank one more year and get a top 2 pick they could be title contenders. Just not sure they will be bad enough to make that happen. If only the 2 of them could miss the season.

 

[dtgold88]

Simmons has never played on a team with a losing record. Embiid played one shortened season.

and they saw a lot of losing and stayed. So did Giannis early in his career and he stayed.

do you not understand how RFA works?

 

[flyerhawk]

wrong about 1 Cavs' player not a pattern. Never mind without doc brown's car you didn't know Love would miss as much time as he did as he stayed relatively healthy in Lebron's 4 seasons (other than 1 playoff run). Disagreeing with your other extreme comments does not make me wrong.

Nice try, though.

Oh come on. Are you seriously suggesting that there was no way to know that Love would get injured? In his 13 seasons he has played more than 60 game 5 times. He played more than 60 games once with Lebron.

Every non-Cavs homer knew what Love's actual trade value was from the moment he signed that deal.

 

[dtgold88]

not really

Sixers had one losing season with Simmons and that was the year he sat out so Simmons didn't experience losing yet

As for Embiid, he only experienced one losing season where he actually played as he sat out his first 2 seasons

So a grand total of 1 losing season when Simmons or Embiid actually played.....that's not a lot of losing

But they sure saw a lot of losing. as did Giannis.

starting to think many here don't understand how RFA works. The only way sexton and/or garland (or any young player) leaves after his rookie deal is if his own team chooses to let him go.

This isn't debatable.

 

[flyerhawk]

and they saw a lot of losing and stayed. So did Giannis early in his career and he stayed.

do you not understand how RFA works?

WTF are you talking about? What was all this losing that they saw?

 

[dtgold88]

Oh come on. Are you seriously suggesting that there was no way to know that Love would get injured? In his 13 seasons he has played more than 60 game 5 times. He played more than 60 games once with Lebron.

Every non-Cavs homer knew what Love's actual trade value was from the moment he signed that deal.

No way to know? sure...it could have happened. But the guy stayed relatively healthy when lebron was here other than the freak accident by Olynyk. Missing some games was certainly not something that could not be expected, but not the amount he has missed.

 

[bksballer89]

But they sure saw a lot of losing. as did Giannis.

How is one season of losing a lot in Simmons case?